I hate paying 10 dollars to get 25 dollars. The worst.
Because these people don't see the bigger picture. They see they could get $35 if they didn't have to pay the union. What they don't see is that the union is the reason they're "getting" $35 and without the union they're definitely not going to get $35. And obviously any non-monetary benefit (such as more days off) goes way over their heads.
It's not even just about money, and anyone who's worked a union job will tell you that. Many of the benefits of unions aren't completely measurable (e.g. correcting the balance of power in favor of workers, even if just a tiny bit).
Even if it wasn't a bot, why is she mad at unions when she's barely scraping by? Unions would help her with that
Union payments in Iceland are like $20 per month. I'm pretty sure union workers get at least 20 cents more per hour than non union workers to break even.
union busting tactics in the us are basically on toddler level. remember the pamphlet that was sent out to united airlines workers when they were unionising? "union dues are $600 a year. why not spend that money on a new videogame system instead?"
That'd still be a bargain. Many unions in Iceland pay 75% of psychological help, glasses and exercise subscriptions by doing some collective bargaining magic. They also provide "time shares" type of vacation bungalows and more.
All on top of higher salaries, better working hours and working conditions and will provide legal assistance in case of wage theft which my sister had to use one time.
Basically a quality of life upgrade that pays you money even though it may not say so on the pay slip.
In the US standard is 2.5 hrs/month. I can't say for certain I made that back cash, but by the time benefits and job security were added i more than made it up
If you are asking for the arguments to make sense if you think about it for longer than 3 seconds, then you are asking too much.
You'll get a lot more salary with Unions...
As a Single Mother With Two Children I am afraid that the Union will be bad, aktuly. Are you disagreeing with me? You simply don't understand what its like to be a Single Mother With Two Children. Why are you attacking me? I am a simple Single Mother With Two Children who is too weak and tired to argue with you.
As a Single Mother With Two Children I am just asking questions about why the Union is bad and now you, a big Pro-Union Thug, are hurting me and my Two Children who are very small and vulnerable.
Stop! Please! Help! The Union is Hurting Me! It's just as I anticipated!
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I was part of a union. I got paid minum wage. My manager was the union rep. I had to work a role that I was literally allergic to.
Despite this, I'm still pro-union. Just not that particular union.
This person may be a higher up at Amazon, knowing that unions will diminish her bonuses (salary) because the workers underneath her are making more and no quotas are being met.
This is no excuse though
This was from the amazon beef with Bernie sanders back in like 2019. Amazon created a bunch of these fake accounts only to be called out for it later.
https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2021/mar/30/amazon-twitter-defenders-fake-accounts
I doubt any higher up is "barely scraping by". And as another comment brought up the recipes, this is most definitely a bot.
could have been real because of some "ambassador" scheme they had where they'd hook a select few warehouse workers with social media handles to spread the propaganda
which only makes it more creepy if you ask me.
they’d hook a select few warehouse workers with social media handles to spread the propaganda
Then, if the media didn't trend or the employees couldn't keep up with their workload plus social media, they were fired.
Also a lie in lots of places.
I've always wondered, what prevents creating a corporation to hire every worker possible, makes them proportional owners, and then negotiates wages and benefits on their behalf?
One enormous corporation that has all of the benefits of a union.
So a co-op?
Like Mondragon?
Not the exact same thing, but is a step in moving society that way, but read up on Germany's co-determination laws.
THIS right here. Mondragon is exactly what GP Is asking about.
If you're reading this and thinking about starting an LLC, non-profit, co-op, or union shop, please give this a look too.
That's such a laughably bad "unions bad" take. If there was such a thing as a kind of insurance where they fight to keep you employed, people would probably sign up and pay the fees.
Does she know it's (usually) voluntary?
But that's not true. It depends if you live in a "right-to-work" state. Currently there are 26 of them, mostly red states. I would assume that, by population, the majority of Americans do not live in "right-to-work" states.
Yeah I live in a populous red state and was forced to join a union for a job. It was as bad as how they forced me to wear hearing protection and steel toe shoes on the factory floor. Watch out or you may be forced to do such things as well
She doesn’t exist. Profile picture is AI generated from https://www.thispersondoesnotexist.com/
The person who wrote the xit surely knows how unions work.
You earn more when a union fight for higher wages, union dues are negligible
The anti-union Americans have a vacuum between their ears and enjoy 3rd World working conditions. F-them.
at my job, you are covered by the union whether you pay dues or not
Some countries are like that. There are pros and cons to it though. The unions are stronger when people bother joining.
Also, being covered by an agreement at your work is only part of what unions offer. They have other services for members, like getting your salary checked, legal support, salary insurance, various discounts for stuff, etc.
It might be tempting to save the membership fee, but don't be a leech. Someone worked hard to get the benefits for everyone. Join the union.
How does that work? Wouldn’t a lot of people just not bother paying?
Unless you live in a "Right to Work" state, then you get to benefit from the work of unions without contributing any money to their efforts, much like a leech benefits from the blood production of the animal it attaches itself to.
that’s why education in the topic matters. So the roomtemp mf have the info before the business gets to feed them desinfo (or before they try to think for themselves and come to wrong conclusions)
I mean, they'll probably get you more than your dues cost, by a lot... So, there's that...
What bothers me most about unions is the increased bargaining power labour gets when they work together. As a manager, my employer expects me to use every trick possible to pay those actually making the company run as little as possible and unions make it much harder to get my bonuses.
But I use one neat trick and pay the employees the money that then gets directed to running the union as a deduction from their paycheck and many of them don't even notice that the difference in overall take-home because of that increased bargaining power is higher than the union dues. They focus on the nickels and dimes and don't even notice the dollars!
And the fact that I need to meet certain criteria before I can fire them due to the union contact doesn't even show up on the paycheck--they often don't even think about it until it's too late!
Omg no /s you must be an evil manager
I thought Lonnie was gonna get rid of the bots.
While I don't agree with her sentiment, I can absolutely believe some human union employees would say this. I don't know if this applies to Amazon jobs, but in the union I know (caregivers) one problem is workers with very few hours have to pay the same monthly dues. Still not really a valid point for most people, but for those few that get caught in it, definitely bittersweet and they will grumble.
I remember feeling this way when I was 18. I thought "well the laws already cover me, so why am I paying for this?"
Anyway, I grew up since then.
I used to consider myself libertarian. Now I understand how basic that is.
Think of it this way, when you're way ahead in a video game (one without anti-snowball mechanics), how hard is it to maintain and grow that lead? First, when it's a team game, you're likely to have opponents just leave, or start fighting each other.
Some people will say the world isn't zero sum, which is true. But when they take the whole sum, it sure feels that way.
Besides just what is right, the economy works better for everyone when people have money to spend. People who have something to lose commit less crime. If all the money does collect in very few hands, the economy grinds to a halt.
I literally thought the headline said "onions."
Imagine my disappointment.
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