Trans-inclusive radical misogyny.
Wait no, it's cis-exclusive radical feminism
the heat death of bigotry
So you're saying dude has TIRM-inal brain rot?
My brain just fell apart reading that sentence
Ah yes, the classic Iranian system.
Sometimes I need to see the twitter feeds of people like this, as a reminder of exactly what women mean when they talk about men being scum.
Sometimes it hurts to be generalized into a category I don’t feel I belong to and it’s tempting to push back, but knowing that people are out there spending what appears to be all of their free time being horrible online and harassing women is a good reminder that women are pretty justified in having a low opinion of men in general.
Now I can go back to pretending twitter doesn’t exist for a while again.
The easiest way to see if it's OK is to swap out "men" with any other protected characteristic. If, having done that it suddenly becomes problematic, it was always so and they should've known better.
I think youre right not to engage them though. For all their talk of equality, anyone who talks like that just wants to be at the top of a new hierarchy. Remove or subjugate the men and most women (who haven't decolonisated their minds) will just replicate the same power structures, adopting the position of patriarch without a hint of self awareness. The way forward is to help other men see the pain caused to them by the patriarchy, as its only then that we can see the pain we cause through the patriarchy, due to the rituals of disregard and empathy killing we go through as boys.
I'll finish by saying the same thing I said to my dad, shortly after he lost his job" "yes dad, of course I've heard of the phrase 'sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.' However, you can't always do that, especially when you're meant to be firefighter, you doughnut.
You should reference my other comment in this thread. You're correct that statements like "all men are trash" are unjustly prejudiced, but you're making a false equivalence.
The easiest way to see if it's OK is to swap out "men" with any other protected characteristic. If, having done that it suddenly becomes problematic, it was always so and they should've known better.
No. You are making an equivalence argument that misses the reality of power dynamics and the context of like centuries of documented social oppression.
Edit: Fuck I didn’t see erin beat me to it.
So just because shitty men exist, we're supposed to say "welp generalizing us is fair because technically men like this exist"?
I have found pushing back is useless. People are just waiting for you to be a horrible "fragile man" instead of just realizing that being accurate in who you blame for being shitty matters. So yeah I wouldn't really conclude that if you see one example of someone being disgusting then you have to allow yourself to be falsely aligned with them.
You can just know the shitty generalizers are bigoted, and hope it's a phase for them. I certainly have never seen any value in either supporting that generalization or fighting against it.
People on the Internet love thinking they're better than you and that you're scum. The only way I know to deal with it is just by accepting it
This definitely misses the power imbalance of punching down vs up. If someone genuinely believes all men are "scum," yeah, that's prejudiced. However, there is a big difference between a group that has less power in society pushing up against the class that has more power or oppresses them and the reverse. The idea that "y group is (insert pejorative)" and "x group is (insert pejorative)" are equally bigoted statements assumes that x and y groups are equal in social power. Statements like "men are trash" or equivalent don't necessarily represent an individual's true opinion of all men, but a general pushing back against a group with more power, many individuals of which attempt to exercise their perceived privilege over women.
Women that say "all men are trash" or similar might not be thinking with this level of introspection and subtlety, but it's a subconscious reaction to their position as a group with less power. They rarely hold that on a personal level against every individual man, unless they've been deeply hurt. I have experienced things that make it harder for me to trust men. My friends have experienced things that make it harder to trust men. I do not think every man is evil. When you see the damage around you on societal levels, see the people calling for your rights to be taken away, see how they treat you like an object or property because of who you are, and you see it in the lives of many many people like you, it creates a resentment of the group that is responsible.
I am not suggesting that there are no women that take advantage of men. I am not suggesting that men cannot be abused. I am not suggesting that it's okay to make men feel responsible for the actions of people that share only a gender with them, nothing else. However, I am explaining why women might feel hurt or disempowered enough to push back against men in general, and why "men are trash" and "women are trash" (though far more often, the phrase when targeted at women takes a sexual connotation: whores, etc) are not equivalent statements. Both the women that have been hurt and the men that feel hurt by the byproduct of their resentment are victims of the patriarchy. Until everyone, regardless of gender, holds the same societal power, there will always be people of all groups being hurt by the imbalance.
TLDR: Don't resent the women who are a product of their environment saying "men are trash," resent the patriarchy that hurts men and women alike.
Additionally, statements like men are trash can hurt other marginalized groups. I've heard "men are trash" be followed or countered with "except trans men." This is transphobic. I'd like to make it very clear that "men are trash" is an unjustly prejudiced statement, but it is one that is a product of a broken system. See: ACAB.
Thanks for saving me the keystrokes here, I appreciate you (for real, which I’m having to say because text and… you know… how online people are).
So just because shitty men exist, we're supposed to say "welp generalizing us is fair because technically men like this exist"?
Yep.
See the sibling reply from @erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone here for a great explanation about how power dynamics work on this topic, but also:
So yeah I wouldn't really conclude that if you see one example of someone being disgusting then you have to allow yourself to be falsely aligned with them.
One example? Really? That’s horse shit and you know it. Misogynistic behavior is a rampant, massive problem everywhere; online and in real life.
I can't even imagine the roganbro brainrot it takes to get to that place. It's almost impressive in its insanity.
Agreed. I understand the words, but cannot understand the meaning of the phrases. What is "feminine" to voló? And how are ladyboys not part of the woke mind virus? And which type of guy is the dude talking about? It's confusing to follow.
Pro tip: these people rarely ever make any sense, because they are mental ill.
MAGA is not a political party or ideology. It is a mental illness fuelled by narcissism, religion, tribalism, anti-intellectualism, and nationalism. It's a dead-end death cult where feelings mean everything, and reality means nothing.
Isn't the woke mind virus just not being a piece of shit, in essence.
The "woke mind virus" is basically these people not getting how other people can be empathetic to people who aren't exactly like them
I saw a comment on YouTube a few weeks ago that I think perfectly captures the mindset of the people who scream about the "woke mind virus".
The comment was something like "I never had a problem trusting a minority surgeon, but now they're all woke DEI hires and I can't trust any of them."
In other words, "I had no problem with minority surgeons when there were almost none of them because I had to accept that there were a handful of 'good ones' that worked hard and earned it. But now that I'm seeing more of them, I know lots of the 'bad ones' are getting in that could only get in because it was handed to them because of their skin color."
In these people's minds, 95% of white people are "good ones" and 95% of minorities are "bad ones". So if any respectable job has more than a few percent of minorities, the only logical conclusion for them is that there are lots of "bad ones" getting jobs they aren't qualified for and didn't earn.
Next step: they'll take the 4chan troll logic of "it's gay to like women" seriously
Unironically I think this is what drives a decent portion of transphobia.
Im a straight dude and I think stockings, high heels, short skirts and boobs are just awesome but I'm also secure enough in my shit to say "That dude makes a pretty hot chick". I also know that my wife doesnt dress like that because its a lot of work, she doesnt feel the need to. Its very much a "sometimes food" as cookie monster would say.
So when knuckle dragging guys who havent seen their wife out of sweatpants and flipflops in 3 months see a dude who put more effort into their appearance in 1 day and they want to fuck that... They get mad.
Science Vs did an episode on the science behind gender and it blew my mind. How gender is determined biologically is far more nuanced than genitalia. It helped me realize that trans people truly are the sex they claim to be. They have different genitalia, but there are other biological factors at play and they are biologically whatever they say they are.
It helped me understand that "that dude" isn't a dude. That is a chick and she is beautiful.
I almost agree with you comment, but I have to say I can not in good conscience pretend like I believe that Cookie Monster knows the concept of a "sometimes food".
Wow, I didn't know ideas so different could cohabitate together like that in someone's mind.
You should try the PNW. Birkenstock-wearing, Prius driving conservative with trump stickers all over the hybrid car.
They have their own mind virus which makes them think that meek, innocent, naive hyperfeminity is the only valid femininity. They watch anime[^1] and terribly written women in film. Both of which infantilize women. And they watch women get dominated by men in porn.
[^1]: Anime fans, miss me with your examples of "badass" women in anime. They all still look like little girls 90% of the time.
The concept of femininity in these boys' heads is completely divorced from what it actually means to be a woman. To be a human being. They want all women to dress in school girl outfits, short skirts, or satin dresses. Women who should spend 100% of their time trying to please their husband, a word that historically means "a man who manages a property". They see women as sexy property.
As a bonus, they all want "trad wives" and yet they vote for politicians that make it impossible to survive on a single income unless they want to live in a trailer park.
Thirteen anime fans couldn't handle this comment.
Is the "woke mind virus" a euphemism or do people believe there's an actual virus? I could imagine something like that coming from people who make videos about chemtrails.
I have been on the "Misogynist stay-at-home gamers who want 'a girl they can game with' really just want a trans BF, but they're to transphobic to admit it to themselves" wave for a while now, and they just keep giving me more evidence.
This kind of thing terrifies me. I think there's a solid chance that that particular tweet is a joke, but the idea that there are people out there honestly concerned with the "woke mind virus" and about how women are this and that is horrifying.
Even more, the possibility that I'm just blind to my own insanity is what really fucks me up. What if they're right and I'm crazy? Seeing so much insanity that you just have to wonder if your own sanity has been compromised.
What if they're right and I'm crazy?
If I ever have that thought, I remember I'm not the one who hates people for immutable traits, or punches down in the name of humour
This is why RFK doesn’t eat McDonalds to get the woke mind virus brain worms.
He shot heroin for 15 years to keep away the woke.
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