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[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 189 points 4 months ago

Remember when on Interstellar there's this whole prologue about the collapse of the US, the dismantling of NASA and the family getting on an argument with the school because the official stance now is that the moon landing never happened and mankind never went to space (despite there being still people alive who went there)?

So, anyway, life imitates art …

[-] CEbbinghaus@lemmy.world 55 points 4 months ago

Recently there was a rerun of interstellar in IMAX at our local IMAX theatre. Rewatched it and had some pretty shocking revelations that I did not think of when I watched it for the first time. The rewriting of history being prime amongst them

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[-] Ultragramps 14 points 4 months ago

One of Trumps supporters even got punched by Buzz.

We ain't getting Interstellar, we're getting Don't Look Up.

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[-] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 months ago

I remember when that movie came out people argued with me that the Democrats were the party that was going to create the world of Interstellar and the Republicans were "standing up for science".

It was obviously nonsense then so i have little illusions that those people have changed their view on it--or if they have, they've simply changed to believe the moon landing was faked.

[-] CM400@lemmy.world 163 points 4 months ago

NASA, like the post office, is such a public benefit that we should be funding it well.

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[-] traches@sh.itjust.works 73 points 4 months ago

The challenging thing here is that NASA does have deep, systemic problems and is in need of some overhaul. SLS is a breathtakingly expensive boondoggle, lunar gateway has no reason to exist, Orion is underpowered and overweight, Mars Sample Return’s entire mission is in question, JWST was a decade behind schedule and an order of magnitude over budget, and the list goes on. Extreme risk-aversion and congressional meddling have resulted in a bureaucratic quagmire of an organization. It’s hard to find nasa projects that are going well.

Of course I don’t think a gorilla with a sledgehammer as we’re sadly going to see from Trump will make things any better, we need a surgeon with a scalpel.

[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 112 points 4 months ago

Most of the things you listed are directly related to Congressionally mandated specifics for funding those programs. The money is only there if NASA does it the way Congress dictates, not necessarily the way it should be done.

The entire SLS program is essentially a Congressional jobs and legacy aerospace grifting program post-Shuttle.

If Congress would. Keep their hands off, and just allocate budget, most of the issues would likely disappear since the people that actually know what's going on could make the decisions instead of a Congress critter that is an imbecile.

[-] Red_October@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago

It's the whole reason SLS is the train wreck it is. Congress wouldn't let them not keep shoveling money to the same people who made Space Shuttle parts. So instead of the best design possible, we got the best design using old parts.

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[-] bamboo 10 points 4 months ago

The way I've heard it described is a lot of the NASA funding is intentionally spread out across many states, funding many jobs in those states, to get the support of many representatives to vote for the funding. This also means that trying to optimize costs would get a lot of push back, since it will cause jobs to be lost in many states. And these are states which voted for Trump: Alabama, Texas, Florida, etc.

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This is such a common theme.

There are huge systemic problems which the "establishment" will demonstratably not address and Trump appears to be the answer to many voters... but him effectively addressing them is a wild fantasy.

[-] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 months ago

We are about a decade plus into the current political theme of "throw the baby out with the bathwater". It's scary. These people have no plan. It's the levellers and the diggers all over again.

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[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

NASA budget shouldn't matter on the scale that it does. It is <2% of the US military spendings

[-] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Honestly I think lunar gateway is a decent idea, Its the easiest thing to do thats new as far as space is concerned and thus potentially the cheapest way to gain international co-operation, public interest, and potentially ignite another space race. Looking forward it can can potentially act as a life raft for any future lunar colonies in the event of a mishap. And while a moon colony isn't as impressive as a mars one its much safer to practice on given that emergency re-supply can actually get there before the crew are already skeletonized. A moon base itself can then act as support for moon based telescopes (which have significant advantages, and disadvantages of course) and if you can get some kind of manufacturing going its far easier to launch from the moon than it is from earth, even if the moon just ends up as a glorified space gas station.

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 63 points 4 months ago

God, I love how the incoming cabinet has zero redeeming qualities amongst them.

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago
[-] Mac@mander.xyz 13 points 4 months ago

I think I would rather be pleasantly surprised.

[-] enbyecho@lemmy.world 61 points 4 months ago

I had a lengthy argument with someone that Musk couldn't possibly be kissing Trump's ass for money - he's a billionaire after all and "has all the money he needs". No no, Musk is doing this out of the goodness of his cold billionaire heart. Isn't it obvious?

Why are so many people so stupid? WHY?

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 34 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Elongated Muskrat is a billionaire who wants to become the first trillionaire. That’s what these people aren’t getting. It’s all just a game to him. He thinks that he lives in a simulation and everyone else is an NPC. He now wants to set a new high score.

[-] Zink@programming.dev 25 points 4 months ago

Ah yes, the essential personality traits to becoming the richest person: integrity, and stopping once you have all the money you need.

[-] Tamo240@programming.dev 8 points 4 months ago

Good things have happened to Elon, therefore he must be a good person, otherwise my worldview is destroyed and there is no point being good.

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 6 points 4 months ago

They have a sense of "enough" and the concept of a thousand millions for someone who barely had a thousand hundreds or even just a thousand is so far out of their realm of understanding that they think "enough" must be a concept for capitalists too

Also dumb as rocks.

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[-] anindefinitearticle@sh.itjust.works 57 points 4 months ago

We saw what happened the last time space infrastructure was privatized.

Boeing gave all the money to the stockholders and delivered a criminally late product that ended up failing and stranding our astronauts. Boeing obviously didn't care to test if the Teflon in those thrusters could survive repeated heatings.

SpaceX decided to go backwards in rocket technology, from Hydrogen to Methane. Hydrogen is more efficient, and makes it easier to bury carbon responsibly. Sure, Boeing's rockets got made fun of for being leaky, but I think that might be Boeing more than Hydrogen at fault. Dirty Methane rockets were cheap, and could be built simple as they experienced less thermal variation without cryogenic fuel.

SpaceX undercut the competition and turned itself into a monopoly while Boeing threw their hand to the stockholders. Now SpaceX picks up the pieces of the game they upended.

NASA was supposed to manage a thriving marketplace, full of competition. Instead it managed its way to a monopolistic structure that a single entity may try to sieze.

Fun fact about autocratic structures like monopolies and dictatorships: they can't grow power themselves, they can only sieze power organized by others.

We need to build our next wave of structures in a distributed fashion such that the levers of power are not so concentrated that they may fall into the wrong hands.

Give the power to the people. All of them.

[-] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago

Space travel is exceptional in that you need an incredible amount of cooperation to get a project into space. The supply chains are insane, the component parts highly specialized and hugely expensive, and the range of expertise and knowledge required is simultaneously focused and intense and broad and varied. If human society ever does manage to transition to a genuine people power, space flight will be, to my knowledge, the very last thing we achieve, because it takes so many people working together to get it done. The scope of these projects makes you realise how easy it must have been to build the pyramids. Two brothers can build a plane that just about works, but to get a vehicle to orbit needs a city of people working together.

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[-] Kalysta@lemm.ee 48 points 4 months ago

And absolutely no one paying attention was shocked.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 42 points 4 months ago

it won't be though. spacex tech is massively reliant on NASA. if they do it they'll hurt spacex in the long run. which means they'll probably do it because musk is a fucking moron.

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

"... in the long run"

These aren't people who understand what "in the long run" means.

[-] Gingernate@programming.dev 18 points 4 months ago

This quarters profits must be higher than last quarters. Fuck anything beyond that

[-] oo1@lemmings.world 12 points 4 months ago

Surely he'll strip NASA, put the bits he wants up for sale, then buy them for cheap.

Sure the best staff might leave, but he'll probably keep enough of the organisation to get something out of it.

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[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 41 points 4 months ago

Some other country is gonna have the new nasa, and the united states is going to fall even further behind. It'll just be a brain drain and most of it isn't going to go to space-x.

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[-] FundMECFSResearch 39 points 4 months ago
[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

When has that stopped them when they have the Congress and the courts?

[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago

He efficiently using the government to make himself richer. What more did anybody expect?

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[-] lemmus@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago

This is what losing a space race looks like.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago

People poke fun of Musk as being a idiot. But he had us Kaiser Soze'd by pretending to be dumb so that he could implement his self-serving ideas.

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[-] 93maddie94@lemm.ee 26 points 4 months ago

NASA has already sent out emails to their teams and contractors about what implications this can have on their departments. Shit’s bad.

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

"Sure is a nice publicly funded and scientifically minded space program you got here. It would be a shame if anything happened to it."

[-] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 20 points 4 months ago

Convenient? That was the whole plan with buying X all along, to get into politics, and this guy is still there keeping it relevant.

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[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

Space exploration certainly will be the final frontier, its the last thing this pathetic species will have ever worked on before blinking out of existence.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 17 points 4 months ago

I wanna try something...

Ahem. Investors! I have the concept of a plan to put gigantic billboards in space that can be seen by half the planet at any given time. Give me money.

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[-] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

Trumps goons are going to sell out key functions of government to private buyers, like nasa to space x. This reminds me of when the USSR fell and all the shadiest people bought up the national industries.

I wonder who’s gonna buy the noaa. That’s the one I’m most concerned about.

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[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 months ago

Step 1) hurt other manufacturers more than Tesla

Step 2) benefit SpaceX by gutting NASA

Step 3) no regulations for digging tunnels?

[-] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

No regulations for digging tunnels is the boring part

[-] Gerudo@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago

What sucks the most is NASA fights tooth and nail for funding as it is. Imagine gutting it, and then coming back 4 years later to ask just for their existing budgets back.

[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 months ago

Please come to europe and lets make the european space agency get their shit together.

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[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

President Musk is just there to be less inconvenienced and to revel in finding an easily manipulated orange loophole to being the president of the United States.

I guess that makes us all Musks workers now. What could go wrong?

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