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[-] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 122 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I remember an old 4chan joke from, I think, over a decade ago. It's an old memory so I hope I don't butcher it:

A 4chan user found a genie. He was tired of getting no action, so he told the genie his 1st wish was the ability to turn on sight that would let him see everyone willing to sleep with him. "Your wish is granted", replied the genie. "You can now close your eyes."

In the modern version I'd make it one of these misogynist assholes.

[-] cactus_head@programming.dev 25 points 3 months ago

A decade ago is 2014 so you(probably) mean two decades ago

[-] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

It's possible, I left 4chan a long time ago. I won't pretend it was ever a great place, but at least there were moments of entertaining randomness. Damn I'm old.

[-] msage@programming.dev 4 points 3 months ago

/b/ was never good.

except for MLP, that was peak

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

Lol seeing people have aneurysms over grown men liking a cartoon was fun

[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 54 points 3 months ago

"What's a woman?"

What's a man?

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 42 points 3 months ago

A miserable pile of secrets.

[-] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

But enough talk, have at you!

[-] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago

I think the best response that's always worked for me is:

"Who cares!" Person riled up about this inclined to agree with me because they think I'm on the two genders "side of the debate". "Just try your best to call people what they want to be called and move on. If someone's name is x, try call them x, if they say 'I am a y', try calling them a y. If you get it wrong accidentally, oh well, just say sorry and try again. Why are we even still talking about this? It's such a non-issue"

Highly effective on those who aren't super conservative and just been swept up in the (in my opinion) astroturfed outrage.

[-] snowboardbum@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

a genetic experiment.

Everyone is an X until a weird little Y comes along.

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[-] EldritchFeminity 51 points 3 months ago

A miserable pile of secrets and lies. But enough talk, have at you!

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 36 points 3 months ago

The opposite of a man.

What is a man? A miserable pile of secrets.

Which makes a woman a joyous iota of public.

[-] DonGirses@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

But enough talk, have at you!

[-] whithom@discuss.online 33 points 3 months ago
[-] vordalack@lemm.ee 25 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Sees woman in public

"Quick! Cover your mouth! That's how they get inside you to lay their eggs!"

[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 months ago

Idk who is that, and probably is a moron.

But it is a genuinely good question: "what's a woman?" "what's a man?" "what's gender?"

Not an easy question, with not universally accepted answer.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

Outside of a philosophy discussion, it's not a genuinely good question because it is irrelevant to our daily lives. In any way that matters to society, a woman is a person who says they are a woman. It's that complicated.

[-] Mesa@programming.dev 13 points 3 months ago

"Is irrelevant" and "should be irrelevant" are two different things. Fighting by saying the issues are not there—regardless of your actual opinion—has rarely, if ever, worked. It's the same as the "I don't see color" argument.

Also, why would we exclude philosophical discussion? The point is to make you think. I also don't know who this particular person is in the OP, but the question itself has no bias. Maybe this highlights our philosophical differences, but I firmly believe that understanding a system is the most crucial step to revolutionizing it.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Would you say skin color is relevant in our daily lives just because some people think it is?

I also said nothing about excluding philosophy discussions. Please do not put words in my mouth.

[-] Mesa@programming.dev 8 points 3 months ago

Would you say skin color is relevant in our daily lives just because some people think it is?

Yes. That was my point. Check your privilege. You don't have to be a flagrant racist to subconsciously make decisions and judgements based on race (and gender).

I'm not going to explain how inherent and human biases work. If you care to start making a difference, then it's up to you to understand that you're not perfect and learn how to start changing how you see and affect the world beyond your idealist rose-colored glasses.

I also said nothing about excluding philosophy discussions. Please do not put words in my mouth.

I don't have to.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm just going to ignore you implying I'm a racist and focus on the second part.

Saying "outside of a philosophy discussion" doesn't mean "we can't talk about philosophy," it means it is generally not relevant in terms of the way it is necessary to live our lives.

People make unnecessary things important to them all the time- skin color, religion, ethnicity, etc.

But if you just ignore those things as irrelevant, the only thing that changes is that some people are treated less like shit. Which is my point.

On the other hand, treating people like shit seems like something you're interested in, at least on a one-to-one level.

[-] Mesa@programming.dev 7 points 3 months ago

You think you're perfect. You are not. No one is. I am not saying you are a racist. You are a human with human biases.

What you've just told me is that you have no interest in discovering and changing yourself to help make a difference. Not to be on any sort of moral high-ground, but I have a really tough time with people that have no desire to learn and improve.

What I'm going to ignore is your assertion that philosophy is not relevant to daily life. That is the stupidest claim in this thread, and it is at the very core of your (subconscious) bigotry. If you can't see that, then there is no next step.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

You think you’re perfect.

You know nothing about me or how far from the truth this is. You are miles closer to perfection than I will ever be.

What you’ve just told me is that you have no interest in discovering and changing yourself to help make a difference.

This is a lie.

I have a really tough time with people that have no desire to learn and improve.

I have a really tough time with liars who make assumptions about me and put words in my mouth, so I guess we are both having a really tough time.

What I’m going to ignore is your assertion that philosophy is not relevant to daily life.

And more lies.

But thank you for proving my point about you wanting to treat people like shit so well.

Also, I like how you say both "I am not saying you are a racist" and "your (subconscious) bigotry" as if those aren't total contradictions.

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[-] HeurtisticAlgorithm9@feddit.uk 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I mean it kinda makes sense, someone who doesn't think that the process of thought is useful not thinking they could make any kind of error.

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[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It is somewhat relevant, though. For example, it's relevant for designing stuff so that everyone regardless of their phenotypical makeup is equally able to function in society. For example, if it didn't matter at all if a lot of people have no penises, we could have urinals everywhere, or conversely for the opposite, we would have no need for urologists. Or if it really didn't matter what colour someone's skin is, we wouldn't have to have differentiated medical care for people of different phenotypes, or we wouldn't need to think about calibrating sensors for different skin colours for detectors so that every device functions for everyone.

But I get your point, a lot of the reasons people think biological differences matter are all made up and mostly bullshit.

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[-] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

If the question is so irrelevant, why do you even try to answer it in the same comment? Not only answering it, but also making it a fact. As if your opinion is the only one that matters and suddenly it's irrelevant when there's a different opinion.

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[-] Bgugi@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

So long as society feels it necessary to provide protections for women, the distinction has real consequences. Drawing a line anywhere is a tradeoff between inclusivity and effectiveness.

Taking the party line "high ground" stance of either conclusive self-determination or dodging the question entirely is why this question is so effective.

[-] prole 6 points 3 months ago

I'm sorry, is "conclusive self-determination" the wrong answer? Why?

[-] Walk_blesseD 5 points 3 months ago

Assuming good faith on the part of those involved, I don't see how inclusivity comes at the cost of effectiveness. Would you care to elaborate?

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[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I don't think it is that simple.

Women are treated different that men in many societies. In my country there are multiple laws that apply different to a person if it is a woman or a man.

If we are making legislative differentiation because those words, we ought to have them well defined and understand what we are meaning and why we say that a women gets X law applied that a man gets not.

If it is irrelevant it should be, at least, legislatively irrelevant. If it's meaningful we should be clear on what we are defining by woman (or any other gender that gets particular legislation applied for all that matters).

That without talking about the social importance of being a gendered society. I don't know any single society that is not gendered. Once again, if it is irrelevant then we should aim for genderless society. If it is relevant we should know and agree on what it is to be one gender or other.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Why do you think such legislation is necessary? In fact, what legislation are you talking about that requires gender to be taken into account?

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[-] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 3 months ago

Honestly I think, as a cis man, cis people are probably very bad at answering the question.

humans tend ignore "harmony". When you walk through the field, do you look each blade of grass or at the cow? Do you feel "non-pain"? How could you possibly explain someone pain that doesn't know pain? Do you remember the last time, you sat next to your friend watching a show on tv, in the same detail, you remember the conflict/discussion that you had with them?

Generally we will remember and pay attention to the things that are "wrong".

If your gender is right for you, why would you pay attention? What would you even pay attention to?

If it is wrong for you, you feel the "pain", see the cow and remember the conflict.

[-] Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

A woman is sugar and spice and everything nice. Until she is scorned. Then hell hath no fury.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

I thought the first part only applied to little girls.

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

an old cake still has the same ingredients in it.

[-] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

Women were little girls until they were scorned?

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[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Is the latter dude calling the former a creeper? Or complaining about agency from rufinol?

[-] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 months ago

he has the patriot emojis but also a pirate one so I assume he's a leftie that somehow still enjoys living in America

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[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

A woman is a person that adheres to gender roles assigned to them by society. These gender roles are typically attributed but not limited to the female sex.

Simple.

[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

A woman is whatever they fucking want to be.

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[-] prole 5 points 3 months ago

And even biological sex is a bimodal spectrum. People always ignore the existence of intersex people, but I believe it occurs at a higher number per 100k people than trans. I could be misremembering.

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[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Pretty sure I saw Crocodile Dundee cover his beer.

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