It’s not because they’re LED. It’s because they’re aftermarket: illegally colored, and poorly aimed or not aimed at all.
1000% this. Aftermarket, fucked colors, and/or no alignment is the cause of the problems. I would add that a lot of aftermarket lights are also way too bright. Sure, the owner can see (a tiny bit) better but everyone else gets blinded. Even then, it's not bad unless they're not aligned properly. (Well, it'll still blind you if it's a truck directly behind you but that's just trucks.)
I own a '97 Honda. The last owner had LEDs in it. The lenses weren't designed for LEDs, they were designed for halogens. So one of the first things I did was revert the headlights to halogen bulbs. And they work perfectly fine. I drive in a suburb so the streets are already fairly well lit. I don't need to cast a beam 5 miles out to see where I'm going.
Also, it's that soft yellowish white light. Not that harsh daylight bluish light everyone and their mom is obsessed with. I don't get it. Anyway, the best thing you can do in 99 times of 100 is to consider what equipment you have and stick to OEM spec.
Anyway, the best thing you can do in 99 times of 100 is to consider what equipment you have and stick to OEM spec.
Or if you do legitimately want to upgrade, consider swapping in something that was OEM spec on a higher trim level/fancier related car model (e.g. Acura stuff on your Honda).
This isn't always correct. I have a 2021 Toyota and the lights are factory installed and way too bright. I've had the lights lowered by a mechanic, but I still blind oncoming traffic and frequently get people flashing their brights at me. I feel terrible, I don't want to blind anyone. I had someone yelling at me about my aftermarket lights and I had to tell them they were factory, he was still mad at me. It drives me crazy, I hate these lights too! Replacements are over $1,000.
Thanks for sharing this. I'll try to remember there are at least a few people out there like this when my blood pressure starts to rise, and I wish painful deaths upon the presumed assholes blinding me on my way home from working for 14h straight.
Emissions checks need to have strict headlight inspections and tight regulations on aim and intensity. Permits should be required for all these additional spots and bars that truck owners love to slap on too. It's too far out of control.
Bullshit, Tesla headlamps blind everyone else on the road straight from the factory.
"tesla" and "build quality" do not match, even before the cyberstuck
Yeah, he already covered "poorly aimed or not aimed at all."
Unless they were aimed poorly from the factory (with how bad their cars are built I'd lean towards that being very probable) they should not be blinding. I know someone with a very early model 3 that had poorly aimed headlights, but he eventually got it fixed. But the 5 other people I know with Teslas are not at all blinding. My Outbacks slightly fucked up headlight is more blinding than their cars.
Every car that blinds me is some extremely new 2020-2024 year car. I get blinded by every third car on the road. The amount of people that get aftermarket headlights installed is very much not a third of all car owners. I can get behind poorly aimed by the dealer but you are wildly overestimating the number of people who have aftermarket lights.
Often this is the case, but there's also a not insignificant number of times I'm convinced a car with shitty aftermarket bulbs ends up being a new Acura, infinity, or Mercedes when I get close enough to determine the make.
I don’t understand how LEDs were ever allowed with the same sockets. What legitimate use could that be.
… plus this has somehow gotten so popular that my garage, part of a major regional chain, offered to replace my headlights with LED replacement bulbs
… although I can see the personal motivation. When everyone else seems to be causing so much glare, you need all the help you can get
On the basic end: because they're cheaper, use less energy, are more reliable, and last longer.
On the fancy end: have you seen demonstrations of Audi's matrix LEDs? They have the ability to dim specific areas dynamically, so that they can track incoming traffic and keep them in a dim-zone while still keeping the road and shoulders well lit.
Keep in mind that there is nothing special about LEDs that make them brighter; they can make LEDs dimmer and they can make halogens brighter, but the manufacturer has chosen not to.
That explains it to me. Never understood the hate for LED headlights, they're great. Aftermarket is illegal here, you don't see any.
In Europe, this is hardly a problem. I’ve recently been on the road more in the US, and it sucks. But I think it’s more so due to cars being ridiculously big and their lamps being way off the ground.
it is a problem in europe too. all new german SUVs, and many others, have front beams around the height of others drivers eyes so they blare right into internal rearview mirror, car is lit like ufo is here to take us, and when meeting those cars coming from opposite direction, it's again at the height of eyes to burn the retinas. the regulation of headlights is obviously fucked.
Headlights definitely need more regulation but this issue is very amplified in SUVs which are much underregulated. They have mismatched bumper heights to other cars causing more damage, they drag pedestrians underneath causing more injuries. I personally see no point for modern SUVs existing at all, but let's at least make sure they are safe on roads.
When an SUV with floodlight headlights is tailgating me, I ask the passenger to use the rearview mirror to reflect their light back into the eyes of the driver. When that fails, we flash them a few times with one of those stupid 5k lumen mega-flashlights. They always seem to back off.
Adjust the mirror to send it right back to them.
Thanks for this clarification. I was wondering about this meme, I have never had a problem with headlights here in Germany. It's the first thing they check at TÜV. Wrong headlight setting, inspection failure. But getting your car inspected probably will trigger some freedumb people over there.
From what I hear, people who modify their vehicle by lifting it higher with bigger wheels are suppose to recalibrate their headlights (point the headlights toward the ground).
Whys it German cars that most often cause the problem then...? Are bmw x5s not as popular in Germany?
We need regulations. It is dangerous to operate a vehicle if oncoming traffic makes it that difficult to see anything in your own lane.
The problem isn't LEDs though. The technology isn't what's making it bright.
The regulation needs to be specific about what they want the end result to be, not about the specific technology used.
Like: there should be a mode of operation where oncoming traffic at x distance, seated at y height, on level roads should not experience more than z brightness.
Or maybe actually enforce our existing laws on this, and make actual punishments for when people modify their cars and don't align their headlights.
Going after random people is harder and worse than going after the manufacturers of products.
Unless you want police shooting black people because their lights were "misaligned"
In the Europe we have the regulations, it still sucks. Especially OEM "active-matrix" LEDs.
Maybe you need to get your eyes checked. I rarely get blinded on the road in Germany, and when I do it's almost always someone who just forgot to turn off his high-beams. Active matrix headlights are very common here nowadays and never blind me
How? We only read the good things about active matrix headlights, not how they behave in the real world
If we won't regulate guns despite school shootings, what hope is there to regulate cars? (Unless someone rich can get a cut?) Apparently someone else's freedumb to do dangerous things is my own freedom to stfu:-(.
All Praise and Honor be to our glorious Electoral College, may it forever prevent us from making dumb decisions such as "preventing needless deaths".
Oh, yeah, of course it is not going to happen in the US. Force a pickup truck to aim their lights at the road instead of other drivers' eyes? Political suicide. But I'd still like it to be regulated.
With halfway decent power stabilization, and the appropriate about of directionality in the lights, plus the lights being somewhere below the typical sedans window frame, the only time headlights should bother you, is when you're on a hill, regardless if they're LED or not.
IMO, one of two things is very wrong if you're getting blinded by anyone's headlights (highbeams not withstanding): either the designers and engineers that worked on the car are idiots, and placed headlights in a location that was going to blind people, or they used crap optics, etc.... Or, the owner of the car can't be arsed to have their headlights properly adjusted.
Honestly, it's a little of A and a little of B... Depending on the car and the circumstance.
One the person I knew actually had self adjusting headlights, which somehow were damaged and would not adjust properly anymore. They drove around like that for years before retiring the vehicle.
Can't fix stupid.
LEDs legally have to be self-adjustable at least in EU. Your mandatory inspection will usually catch it if that system doesn't work.
The bigger problem is people throwing LEDs in halogen housings. It's not the LED's fault. The other big problem in the US at least I reckon, is having vehicles that are way too tall, so their headlights, while hopefully dipped properly, are above a normal driver's eye level.
If it wasn't him it just would've been someone else
Not to mention HIDs can be just as bright... Which was first introduced on the 1992 BMW 7 series...
So what you're saying is we need to go back and hunt down Richard BMW
I drove past a car that had its headlights flickering about 15 times every second last year. No clue if it was intentional but it was distracting as all hell. (and probably dangerous to epileptic people)
This is typically someone who installed LED lights in a car that was designed for incandescent most DRLs run at a lower voltage than when the actual headlights are turned on. So when you run lower voltage to run those daytime running lights when using an LED bulb instead of filament that wasn't meant to be dimmable they Flickr or flash.
The new trucks in America are all blinding because of how high off the ground they are and the ridiculous number of lumens. It's like manufacturers just want bigger number, bigger number = better, lol.
Congress could easily pass a lazy maximum brightness law but we're too busy stalling a mostly approved daylight savings law because some asshat party leader(s) is waiting to slap 200 riders onto it like another morbillion dollars of tax money to Israel.
It's so bad people put here are getting illegal windshield tint just to reduce the insane glare.
Of course a real solution would be a proper regulation with tickets for anyone running incorrectly adjusted headlights or anything that is basically acting as a high beam.
I’d say this ‘chat’ should go to GM and their stupid ideas to point fucking headlights straight into the mirrors of cars ahead of them. Only one of the few hazards they cause on the road today.
There was nothing wrong with the halogen and I'll die on that hill. Ever since they abandoned it, it's been an arms race, and the aftermarket drop-ins are the worst offenders. I've resigned myself to never seeing anything on the highway shoulder because of the intensity of oncoming traffic's headlights.
I like LEDs over halogens because they're more energy efficient. I just wish they'd said "Cool, we can use fewer watts for the same number of lumens" instead of "Cool, we can get more lumens out of the same number of watts"
I’ve never had a LED headlight go out. I’ve had many halogen lights go out.
That too, the ridiculous lifespan of LEDs, to the point where it didn't even occur to me to mention it.
It's mostly the color of the light that's the problem right? Our brains register the cooler light in the contrasting darkness as blindingly bright as opposed to warmer incandescent light, despite both lights having the same measured brightness (lumens).
I do not think so, the LED lights are just really bright. The human eye is most sensitive to green light. And according to the following graph similarly much to reddish and bluish tones (maybe even more sensitive to the yellow stuff rather than blue) https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-eye-sensitivity-function-7_fig17_343319896
Supposedly car manufacturers even brag about their stupid bright lights, so I do think they put effort into making their lights more and more bright, even if they try containing the beams to the street. I couldn't find Mercedes' original ad to this picture though: https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2556223
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the horribly distracting flicker that they make.
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