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[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 168 points 3 weeks ago

Bernie on the right side of history as usual

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 107 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If Hillary's primary team hasn't taken over the DNC, we'd be coming out of term 2 of Bernie with one of the most progressive Supreme Courts in modern history...

Like just stop for a second and think about how much shit would be different if we took the slam dunk of Bernie against trump in 2016, instead of trying to cram Hillary Clinton down America's throats.

We were this fucking close to a functional society

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 44 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

But instead the corporate side of the party would rather lose an election and blame Sanders and the Greens for losing. Same thing in 2000. Nader gave Gore a list of policies and said he'd drop out and endorse him if he just promised to implement just 2 of those policies. Instead of doing that, he chose to lose, and then 9/11 and the Iraq war happened, setting off an unprecedented loss of civil liberties and law enforcement abuses under Bush (and I would still say that Bush Jr was probably worse than Trump in terms of body counts and terrible policies that are still in place).

[-] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If there is one thing you can accuse Bernie of, it is definitely not being a good human.

Edit: Welp I totally fucked up and said that wrong and then went to sleep. I intended that to be a double negative and missed the double part. I caucused for Bernie and I think he is one of the most amazing people to ever live. Sorry guys, I goofed big time and I deserve the downvotes for my fuck up.

[-] ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org 17 points 3 weeks ago

Can you elaborate that?

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Think you're missing a "nt" or have an extra "not" there..

Edit: don't worry too much about it, happens to the best of us 😁

[-] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 weeks ago

Ooof, this is why I don't play with grammatical structure before bedtime.

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

You might not understand where you are saying such wrong things.

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[-] un_aristocrate@jlai.lu 9 points 2 weeks ago

He would rather be on the left side though.

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[-] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 127 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

There’s an alternate timeline where Bernie won in 2016 and restored the middle class in America. Living wages, affordable housing, affordable everything, universal healthcare, and a common sense foreign policy.

I’m not saying he’s perfect. He would have made mistakes. But he would have been the best president since FDR.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 115 points 3 weeks ago

There’s an alternate timeline where he wins and can’t get anything through because there aren’t enough progressive Dems in the senate.

[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 55 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

So the same as if any other Democrat won but unlike the other Democrats, at least he would have still tried?

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 36 points 3 weeks ago

Or where upon it seems he'll be blocked, he goes individually to each of the blocking members states or districts, and campaigns his ideas directly to those who will be most affected, both upsetting precedent and dra international attention to individuals blocking the legislation.

You act like there wasn't a plan. I assure you , there was a plan.

[-] would_be_appreciated@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 weeks ago

Being in a position where the entire country hears his very reasonable, very easy to understand words over and over again would eventually have an effect. Even the die-hards would eventually be asking themselves if it is in fact reasonable that corporations are assfucking each and every one of us every single day. Some of them would vote in a more progressive representative.

Would he get everything passed? Absolutely not. But he would get some good stuff through.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Being in a position where the entire country hears his very reasonable, very easy to understand words over and over again would eventually have an effect.

How did that work out for Jimmy Carter?

[-] would_be_appreciated@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

It worked out pretty well for Carter's policies, even if he only got one term. Carter ran openly as a centrist, and his fiscal conservatism was very popular. The left-ish wing of the Democratic party started an "Anybody But Carter" campaign during the primaries for exactly that reason. Lots of policies he advocated for got passed during his presidency: he deregulated the airlines, the trucking industry, railroads, banking - and that was a great trial run for Reagan's followups (and Bush, and Clinton, and W).

But Carter was both too conservative and wildly incompetent for the job. With somewhat liberal Dems having the majority in both houses and universal health care being a big issue at the time, and with Ted Kennedy as majority leader trying to push it through, Carter still opposed it on the basis of cost. Of course it died, as did any other progressive or even moderately liberal ideas that cost money.

What I'm saying is fuck Carter. He's done a great job rehabbing his image but he was a bad president his presidency is rightfully maligned by both the right and the left. But he got a lot of policies through that he liked.

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[-] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago

In that case, Bernie’s executive orders would have blotted out the sun. How do courts strike down student loans being forgiven under a new legal theory every month?

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

And yet it's a better timeline than what happened when Clinton was too bad at being a politician to beat Trump.

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[-] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 98 points 3 weeks ago

This guy has a consistent habit of being on the right side of history.

[-] Jamil@lemm.ee 76 points 2 weeks ago

It's not a 'sale'. It's a handout to the welfare apartheid state, while Americans are wondering why their roads are falling apart, their education sucks and no universal health care.

[-] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 20 points 2 weeks ago

Tell that to the arms companies that are supplying about 5 bil worth of stuff for 20 bil of taxpayer's money

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

It is a sale. US policy now is get the hell away from the Middle East. If Israel wants to fight, we can sell them weapons, but we won't be sending our soldiers to fight their wars. This is why we also pushing so hard for EVs.

As for roads and education that's actually covered local government and local taxes.

The reason we don't have universal healthcare is because Republicans consistently block it (they even trying over and over remove ACA). Universal healthcare not only wouldn't cost us more it would actually be cheaper to what we have right now.

[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 8 points 2 weeks ago

It is a sale.

If I give you $400 per week for 5 weeks and tell you to spend it at my store, and you come in and buy $2000 worth of stuff… did I actually make a sale?

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[-] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

we won’t be sending our soldiers to fight their wars

Lol sure.

we also pushing so hard for EVs

Lol Part Deux. Yes, America is leading the way in EV adoption while phasing out big, gas-guzzling trucks and SUVs as rapidly as humanly possible.

Universal healthcare not only wouldn’t cost us more it would actually be cheaper to what we have right now.

Congratulations on not being completely wrong in your comment.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 71 points 2 weeks ago

I like taxes. I want them to fund things in my community. I don't want them paying for the deaths of an entire people.

[-] foggianism@lemmy.world 57 points 2 weeks ago

Bernie is a national treasure. His qualities as a politician and as a human being are going be recognized by the generations to come.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago

If we don't elect more people like him quick, I'm afraid future generations will see us as all the same.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago

I wish Bernie would weaponize the filibuster the way Rand Paul does to block these things. I'm glad his heart is in the right place and I'm glad he does these things, but he doesn't want to play dirty and it's 2024, you need to play dirty when they're willing to.

[-] stormeuh@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago

The problem with using the filibuster is that it only works when you know the other side doesn't have 67% in the senate. With both the democratic and republican parties being in the pocket of AIPAC, I suspect they could easily get the votes to break Bernie's filibuster.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe, but I feel like it's worth a try.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

It'll at least get them on the record so they can be the bad guys in the documentary later.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

If anything could get the Democrats to actually get rid of the filibuster, it would be blocking weapons for genocide.

[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 6 points 2 weeks ago

My dude, Bernie did a 8.5 hour filibuster and was coherent and on point the whole time, no phone book reading https://youtu.be/pm6qy_9E0rY

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[-] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago

Give it all to Ukraine instead.

Fuck Israel. Fuck putin.

[-] aaaaace 9 points 2 weeks ago

Convince Israel that the Palestinians have resettled in Russia.

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[-] DJDarren@thelemmy.club 25 points 2 weeks ago

How very antisemiti...oh, hang on...

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[-] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 17 points 2 weeks ago

The Jew Bernie Sanders is ANTISEMITIC!

[-] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Lets go Bernieee

[-] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

But please think about the shareholders!

[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

It won’t work, but bless his actual heart for trying.

[-] nkat2112@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you, Senator Bernard Sanders. You rock and you're my hero.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Aipac fuming

[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

How much can he hold up the sale if the rest of the senators are on board?

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[-] halykthered@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

With more weapoms shipments being sent since Oct 7th, than days have passed since Oct 7th, it's absolutely time for prompt action. I admire Mr. Sanders and his resolve. With this resolution, maybe we can prevent another 30k deaths in nearly 10 mons time. This is a bold undertaking, reflecting the collective will of most other countries that condemn the Palestinian genocide. Well done.

[-] zante@lemmy.wtf 3 points 2 weeks ago

Hey isnt that the money for Ukraine ?!

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