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submitted 2 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world
  • Kamala Harris' campaign is demanding that microphones stay unmuted at the next debate.
  • It's a break from Joe Biden, who insisted on microphone muting at the June 27 debate.
  • It indicates the vice president thinks outbursts from Trump would end up benefiting her.
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[-] qprimed@lemmy.ml 119 points 2 months ago

just me, or is this the most muscular feeling dem campaign in a loooong time?

they are taking every opportunity to shine light into dark gop crevices, including the roach infested crevice of trumps mind.

the smell republican blood in the water is a helluva drug.

[-] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 45 points 2 months ago

We swapped dentures for teeth

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[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago
[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Except McCain still has more character in his dead pinky toe than Trump has in his entire body. For example, McCain told a lady to her face that Obama wasn't a secret Muslim, and called for unity and respect in his concession speech.

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[-] moon@lemmy.ml 92 points 2 months ago

There have been enough reports of Trump privately calling Kamala a b*tch that there's a strong possibility he could snap and use that word if she starts to embarrass him. There's also a non-zero chance of him using some other slur or just saying weird racist things

[-] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

And sadly, large swaths of his base would just eat it up for tElLiNg It LiKe It Is or because they're mostly racist misogynists.

[-] elliot_crane@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago

It would galvanize his base but they’re already a lost cause. Him having a racist/sexist outburst on live TV and Harris handling it like an adult would only help her campaign.

[-] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

I also think there may be women who vote "how they're told" who wouldn't appreciate that and would tell their husband they voted for Trump but actually vote for Harris.

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[-] rhombus@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 months ago

I’m willing to bet that’s the goal on Harris’ part. The Democrats have finally found that the way to unravel him is just belittle him rather than giving him any measure of power. If the debate goes forward unmuted, she just has to be dismissive and call him weird/old/whatever and I guarantee he’ll fly off the handle.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

Also the “I’m speaking” and continuing.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

He was able to keep it contained against Hillary back in the day and just called her a "nasty woman". He will have no such restraint with Harris. I'm expecting him to say he will "see you next Tuesday", like he did with that lawyer. It's the type of thing an edgy twelve year old would say, which is why I expect him to say it.

[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I am sure that she has studied everything that he said about Clinton and all of his tactics and is just ready to tear him apart. That said I suspect his plan will be just to talk solidly and not give anyone a chance to say anything. The more noise he puts up and doesn't answer any questions The less that he can get into trouble.

I also suspect if it starts going poorly for him he just walks off stage.

[-] Bakersfield@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I also suspect if it starts going poorly for him he just walks off stage.

That would be great! Imagine the commercials:

  • [showing a clip of Trump storming off stage] "Do you want a president that runs away when things get difficult or do you want a leader?" [cut to Harris dominating the debate]

Edit: typo

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[-] M500@lemmy.ml 69 points 2 months ago

I wonder if it’s to hopefully get him to demand they be muted. Like she’s baiting him to do it.

[-] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 52 points 2 months ago

I think it's because she knows he'll say some outlandish shit when it's muted and she wants to make sure that when he forgets that he has a live mic, it's all on tape.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

yup. basically she wants his crazy on full display.

I'm not sure it'll work in her favor, but, uh. it's one way to counter the gish gallop. Just hand them the mic and then mock them later for being a lunatic.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Yeah, that's the strategy of the media ever since he came down that stupid gold escalator in 2015. So far, hanging on his every word has only helped him.

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[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

That's the only way it's a good idea. Otherwise, he'll just keep interrupting her throughout the whole thing and she won't be able to get a word in edgewise.

Yes she's a former prosecutor and thus used to argue for a living but that was a) a long time ago and b) in a highly regulated setting where there's serious consequences for breaking decorum.

In a "debate" on a for-profit yellow media outlet, he's not going to be held in check by the moderator(s) or anyone else and even though most if not all of his blathering is going to be lies, he's likely going to win by default for being "high energy" or whatever bullshit the corrupt pundit class comes up with to spin his lunacy and childish bullying as a show of strength.

[-] djsoren19@yiffit.net 6 points 2 months ago

That's already what the Trump team is demanding. They want to have mics muted because they realized how much better it made Trump look at the Biden debate.

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[-] g0nz0li0@lemmy.world 60 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Muted mics make him look like he's being civil and letting Harris talk.

Hot mic presents two interesting possibilities:

  1. He tries on his "low IQ" and "she suddenly decided to be black" attack lines and Harris calls him out so he looks like a fucking asshole to the average voter.

  2. He DOESNT try on his "low IQ" and "she suddenly decided to be black" attack lines and Harris calls back to her "say it to my face" line and paints him as a weak coward for the rest of the campaign.

[-] Lojcs@lemm.ee 52 points 2 months ago

What happens if he just doesn't stop talking when his turn is over? I thought that was a lesson learned from 2016 or something

[-] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 49 points 2 months ago

Trump has cognitively declined since 2016 and is increasingly incoherent and nasty. I think the Dems are gambling that many voters aren't watching his stump appearances so this is a good way to expose him to voters.

I think its too big a gamble and mute him. I think he will expose himself enough on his own turns to speak.

[-] makuus@pawb.social 10 points 2 months ago

I just hope none of this is being planned with the idea that it’ll change the opinion of his most ardent supporters, because he’s said a lot of incoherent and nasty things, and it doesn’t appear to have hurt his chances. Hell, those most negatively impacted by his policies are lining up to vote for him again, to “save” the nation. What are words in the face of that?

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

In the margins are people who will peel away and at least stay home. The people who haven't seen him speak but think they like him based on the curated perspective from Fox News, etc. there are people who will listen to him unfiltered for the first time in a few years and it will be the last straw.

[-] jimmy90@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

yeah i think muting is the only way to get a half-way decent debate

[-] dyathinkhesaurus@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Came here to say this. How will they shut him up? The people who came to hear him talk will want to hear his word salad gospel, no matter how long he yammers for. She won't be able to get a word in.

And based on what happened with Hillary Clinton, there should also perhaps be a demand that he stay put at his lectern and not be allowed to walk around the stage/behind her...

[-] djsoren19@yiffit.net 5 points 2 months ago

Harris isn't a smug elitist nor a doddering old fool. She'll cut him off and dress him down.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 47 points 2 months ago

It doesn’t matter what he says, we’ve heard it all before. He’s a one-trick pony.

The problem is that he’s going to gish gallop and lead the conversation by trying to get Harris to be the one trying to disprove all his bullshit. It’s a major MO in republican discussion to spew bullshit in bad faith that wastes the time of the opponent who is attempting to have an actual conversation and tries to reasonably refute the bullshit. The bullshit is reductionist, sensationalist, and full of feels, so it gets attention vs. the actual facts which tend to be the exact opposite. Trump will absolutely talk all over her, interrupt, and just be an asshole.

So trump’s mic should absolutely be shut off. He wastes time and opportunity for Harris to state her platform.

Plus, I think being unable to be heard really pisses him off. So I’m all for that, too.

[-] Red_October@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

The problem is that muting his mic when it's not his turn to talk doesn't keep him from spewing rampant bullshit when it IS his time to talk.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Of course!

But it keeps him from spewing rampant bullshit over his opponent.

Lesser of two evils? He’s gonna be a tool no matter what, just minimize his opportunity to do so.

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

She can interrupt him as well when he's lying. Biden just had to listen.

It benefits the smarter and more coherent person when mics are unmuted, if played correctly.

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[-] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

It clearly isn't her plan to refute his lies and lend credence to the ridiculous things he says. It's probably to say "what? That doesn't even make sense .... Lol he's still talking.... Haha he just keeps ranting and those aren't even words." Or something. I obviously don't know her exact plan but she understands that standing there trying to fact check him won't work.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

That would actually be great.

[-] Binzy_Boi@piefed.social 40 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Honestly fantastic choice. The more he talks over people and interrupts, the more unhinged and insensible he appears to the average voter. Political commentator I watch regularly has been saying this for months to leave his mic on at the debate rather than mute him.

[-] 2000mph@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago

I didn't know about the muted mics at the last debate so when I saw all the highlights I was surprised how calm and respectful Trump was to Biden. I couldn't understand it, I thought maybe he was being kind and had some sympathy to Biden due to his ill state at the time.

But then I remembered who the F he is and now I know his mic was muted it all makes sense. I'm surprised he didn't just try shouting anyway over the muted mic.

But just watching those highlights in isolation without that knowledge it almost...... kinda almost made him seem human.

So definitely, unmute the mics so we see the real Trump and let him implode.

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[-] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 7 points 2 months ago

That's what everyone was saying prior to the 2016 debates, but despite shouting over Hillary constantly those were at best a tie but more likely a Trump win on balance.

I'm not saying it can't work, but Harris needs to be able to control the room and put Trump in his place by force of personality alone. She needs to bite back and shut him down successfully, and that's not all that easy to do.

Taking the high road and "letting him make a fool out of himself" is not gonna work out the way they want.

[-] treefrog@lemm.ee 12 points 2 months ago

Hillary couldn't shut Trump down without appearing elitist and smug (because she's both).

Harris isn't Hillary.

[-] Avatar_of_Self@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

She couldn't talk to the American public without appearing elitist and smug either.

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[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Harris ain't 'fraid o' no Gish gallop.

[-] gdog05@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

Her campaign team was there to know what Trump was saying when the mic was off during the last debate with Biden. I think they likely have some great insider information on top of the basic strategy. I think they know from experience, not just theory, that he just isn't in control of himself enough to go that long without embarrassing/racist/misogynistic/whatever outbursts.

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[-] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

The debates are kinda BS. The country is clearly divided on who they're voting for and they're not changing their minds.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 43 points 2 months ago

Clearly not, since the most recent one is why we have Harris instead of Biden as the candidate.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

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[-] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 28 points 2 months ago

But the goal isn't just to convince people that you're better than the other candidate


it's to convince sympathetic people to get out and vote for you, and if not that, then at least not vote for the other.

I think people are largely decided on who they are not voting for, but who they are voting for is a bit different.

[-] xenoclast@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

I think this is key. It's an opportunity to grab people's attention and motivate the to vote.

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

The election is a circus, the candidates are Carneys. They have great games and fabulous prizes, they just need your vote.

[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I don't know. I remember the last time I watched a debate that included Trump and his mic was unmuted. It was completely impossible to follow anything that way said from either candidate. Trump loves chaos, and an unmuted mic enabled him to create chaos.

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