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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 220 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"Endorsement" meaning the ~~25~~ 45 million a month to a PAC...

How the fuck are we not going after them for this?

The PAC system is incredibly fucked, but outside of a handful of progressives no politicians want to admit it's legal bribery

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 45 points 3 months ago

No it’s not bribery. He changed his stance for Musk’s endorsement. Musk then exercised his free speech into a Trump PAC. There was no coordination. Besides, even if there was coordination, it was a just a gratuity after the service!

[-] squidman@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago

Just a little bit of corruption, as a treat!

[-] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

Because they all take super PAC money and dont want the flows to stop.

Except ofc Bernie and a handful of others

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 10 points 3 months ago

Every ad should be a clip of Trump raging against electric cars, then the Musk tweet, then a clip of him praising electric cars. End with: do you really think he works for you?

I'm sure you can build more ads on this theme with the millions of other things he flip flopped on when someone promised him a bag of cash.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

That should be one ad. Another should be about him turning on every one of his supporters that he's turned on. Trump: on your side as long as it's still convenient for him.

[-] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

"We" aren't going after them for this because they all do it, Trump just said it out loud. Welcome to American politics. This will never get fixed because the people in power stand to lose millions of dollars if it does. People will posture, pander, and pretend, but they will never get a majority willing to take the pay cut and actually fix it. It's ~~the~~ a glitch in a capitalist republic.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Oh it can totally be fixed. People change their tune really quick when they can't put food in their mouths, and others change faster within close proximity to wood chippers.

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[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 114 points 3 months ago

How is this obvious and even admitted bribery not illegal?

[-] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 64 points 3 months ago

In an ideal, fair, and just world, yeah, but have you been following the Supreme Court lately? This is their King we're talking about!

[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

..... have you been following the ~~Supreme~~ Extreme Court Court lately?

[-] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 33 points 3 months ago

I' e come to realize that sadly, legslity is irrelevant. If there are no consequences, then there's effectively no law for rhe powerful.

The SCOTUS ruling that they can declare the president above the law was really about shiwing they can make anyone above the law, if they wish.

The last eight years have highlighted how the US is in fact, a caste system.

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 14 points 3 months ago

It's not bribery until he actually pushes for EVs (Tesla, specifically) as President. And then it will be an official act, so he's immune.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago

To be bribery it needs to involve literal gold bars... and people who aren't Republicans.

[-] Sabata11792@ani.social 6 points 3 months ago

The supreme court got bribed into saying bribery is fine as long as you pretend it's not a bribe.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 93 points 3 months ago

well known for the transactional nature of his politics

Also known as “taking bribes.”

[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 66 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

He bragged less than a week ago in Michigan that he is going to ban EVs just so he can pander to Michigan auto workers.

Practically everything he says is a lie

[-] skyspydude1@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Which is ridiculous because most manufacturers are building multiple new factories for batteries and EVs. It's a pretty shitty pander all things considered.

[-] ericjmorey@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Ford recently announced their decision to use their facility built for the purpose of expanding their EV supply to instead manufacturer more ICE pick-up trucks.

[-] skyspydude1@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

And? It still means that the push for EVs wound up creating those factories, and therefore jobs at those factories.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 42 points 3 months ago

I could be wrong, but isn't a blatant quid pro quo basically the only way to wind up on the wrong side of the Citizens United decision? Didn't the Supreme Court rule that, unless a candidate was engaged in open bribery, campaign contributions constitute free speech? I could be misremembering/misinterpretating, and he'll never face any consequences for it anyway, but it would be very funny if there was a Supreme Court ruling that said, "As long as you're not dumb enough to admit it's a bribe it's not illegal," and he still fucked that up.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 26 points 3 months ago

The Supreme Court ruling splits a very fine hair. If you give a government official money and say "make sure my housing development goes through", that's a bribe and it's illegal. If you show them money and say "I'll give you this if my housing development goes through", that's a gratuity and is perfectly fine.

Why, yes, this is a stupid as it sounds.

[-] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 months ago

Wrong Supreme Court decision. They said Citizens United.

[-] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 3 months ago

Didn’t the Supreme Court rule that, unless a candidate was engaged in open bribery, campaign contributions constitute free speech?

The core of the CU decision is that engaging in political speech is not a campaign contribution. Even if you spend money to engage in that speech. Even if you pay some 3rd party organization to engage in that speech on your behalf, unless that 3rd party organization is operating in collusion with the actual campaign.

Or to put it another way, if you run off a bunch of flyers supporting Kamala Harris and pass them out, that's not a campaign contribution despite ink and paper (and your labor) not being free. If Staples agrees to print those flyers free of charge for you, Staples is not making a campaign contribution. Unless the campaign itself is involved with the process. Now, just scale that up to massive corps and political nonprofits.

People try to describe it as "deciding money is speech and corporations are people", but both of those are long held by law - corporations have had 1A rights for a long, long time and likewise arguments that restricting things used to engage in protected expression is in fact restricting protected expression have held for a long, long time (for example you can't just place a $10,000,000/week tax on printing presses to silence newspapers).

[-] Spaceballstheusername@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

But in practice what happens is people/companies make donations directly to a candidate then all of their priorities get fulfilled by the candidate even though the people that voted for the candidate don't support the issue.

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[-] mPony@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

a) yes

b) maybe he'll be held accountable for this within the course of the next 20 years

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

He'll be posthumously sentenced at this point

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Hope and pray that the courts see it your way!

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago

"Yes, I'm a whore. I have been bought." -- Donald T.

[-] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

For sale: 1 (one) old man with dementia, loose bowels, poor grasp on simple concepts, malignant narcissism, and a massive following of slack-jawed troglodyte voters.

[-] oxjox@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 months ago

He then went on to say “they”, presumable the democrats, want to go all electric and that eight electric chargers cost $9 billion. https://x.com/Acyn/status/1819863379835830603

[-] Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 months ago

I mean, it's one electric charger, Michael. How much could it cost? 1.125 billion?

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 4 points 3 months ago

Man, Toyota is gonna be pissed when they find out how much money they threw away on a charger they gave me with a $50k car.

[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 17 points 3 months ago

Hard-line MAGAts wishing to publicly demonstrate their allegiance will have to start wearing flip-flops alongside their diapers and ear pillows.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Also, driving cyber trucks.

Which would actually kinda be hilarious, if I didn’t have to share the road with those morons.

[-] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

I have seen a couple of them on the highway. They look so ridiculous you have to laugh.

It's just like the ridiculous "future cars" we'd see in many old sci-fi movies from the 70's and 80's. Perhaps their visions of the future were not so wrong after all.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

And about as well built, too.

(Those were typically golf carts with cardboard boxes slapped over them kit car fashion.)

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 3 months ago

Can they start wearing fake purple hearts, too?

[-] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

That's politics, this shouldn't be a surprise. None of this is remotely illegal as suggested in the comments.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

People are saying it should be illegal and the fact that it is legal is an issue that we should fix...

[-] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

What exactly should be illegal about a politician promising policy changes, that positively affects individuals and those individuals showing their support for that politicians policy? I don't think many of you have thought this through.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

The part where it's 45 million a month in exchange for "policy" that could make the company 100s of millions of dollars...

But in general, that any billionaire can just pay for the government they want.

[-] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

So you want to complain about funding, I'd agree. That's not the complaint here or what is being said should be illegal.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

ThisIsAnAI

yeah i can tell

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[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 4 points 3 months ago

Having your position on issues for sale isn't illegal when you're not in office, but it's certainly not normal politics. It's fuckin' the weird for a politician to openly admit they're for sale.

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[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 9 points 3 months ago

Don is probably mad that Elon backed out of giving him large monthly donations.

[-] oxjox@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago
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