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His intervention comes as the presidents of Brazil, Mexico and Colombia all called on Venezuela to release the full details of last Sunday's election.

It has also attracted global criticism, with many governments around the world demanding the Venezuelan government release proof of the result.

The result has been recognised by Venezuelan allies China, Russia and Iran.

But, the US, European Union and other G7 countries have called on Mr Maduro’s government to release detailed voting data.

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[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 191 points 2 months ago

The result has been recognised by Venezuelan allies China, Russia and Iran.

The three countries most well known for their open and fair democratic processes.

/s

[-] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 63 points 2 months ago

Insert "Why is it always you three" meme here.

[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago
[-] TheAlbatross 66 points 2 months ago

The USA has tried to make coups happen in Venezuela like half a dozen times or more over the decades, I just cannot trust anything America says about the internal politics of Venezuela.

Not that it matters what I think, America will do whatever the fuck it wants.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 61 points 2 months ago

Sigh. What about virtually every other country out there that is not a dictatorship saying it too?

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[-] Visstix@lemmy.world 57 points 2 months ago

You're acting like only America says something about it. Only the most scummy countries seem to "believe" maduro.

[-] TheAlbatross 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No, I've just seen this kinda thing happen again and again, specifically with Venezuela. Sadly, the nation is getting used as a political battleground, so of course America and its allies are on one side and their rivals on the other.

Plus, the US has a long dark history of meddling in the politics of South American countries, this is absolutely the kind of thing it does to extert power.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 40 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is not that.

Most of those failed interventions of Latin America mind you come from conservative administrations. Blinken isn't a Neocon.

Maduro is corrupt as fuck and myriad independent nations and watchdogs corroborate the same point.

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[-] Doorbook@lemmy.world 60 points 2 months ago

People should question the USA every time they talk about South American countries. The same as how people question China or Russia when they talk about bordering countries. Super power will do what they can to influence other countries and historical and recent events make it clear that the USA is willing to lie and defend its lies. So people have the right to not believe the USA.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago

Love the whataboutism. Top notch shillwork.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago

Sure. When it's appropriate. But it isn't appropriate here. There are third party organizations with no love for the US also making statements about this.

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[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 59 points 2 months ago

We also have overwhelming evidence Blinken has supported multiple coup attempts in Venezuela throughout his career.

Downvote actual facts if you like, you’re only showing your bias.

[-] zabadoh@ani.social 32 points 2 months ago

Don't distract from the issue with whatabout-ism arguments.

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[-] enbyecho@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago

Care to share that evidence?

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Absolutely, but if you were really interested in facts this information is not hard to find once you stop watching cable news…..

I doubt you’ll read any of it but here is a random google search….

Details of a dozen or so coup attempts by us government

https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv2tr51zb

Details of Blinken’s work history in the us government over this same period

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Blinken#:~:text=He%20previously%20served%20as%20deputy,Biden%20from%202009%20to%202013.&text=Yonkers%2C%20New%20York%2C%20U.S.

Bias report on the jstor.org showing reporting credibility as factual and also detailing any of their bias etc

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/jstore-daily/

If you believe western media and United States governments reporting on issues in Venezuela, you’re critical thinking ability is non existent.

I’m not an expert on Venezuela, but again, western media and the USA government has zero credibility on issues concerning Venezuela.

[-] enbyecho@lemmy.world 51 points 2 months ago

Absolutely, but if you were really interested in facts this information is not hard to find once you stop watching cable news…… I doubt you’ll read any of it but here is a random google search….

Your snark, arrogance and cynicism are unwarranted and inappropriate.

But I do appreciate your providing some info - I was genuinely curious and didn't quite know where to find this evidence - initial searches did not turn up the kind of "overwhelming evidence" you claimed existed. I'm not for a second disputing the USA's involvement in coup attempts or regime change in general - I think this is quite adequately documented. But your claim was that there is "...overwhelming evidence Blinken has supported multiple coup attempts" but the best you can do is to essentially say he's guilty of this personally because he has worked for the US government.

That's honestly pretty weak.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

If you believe every protest is a CIA backed coup attempt then nobody can help you.

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 56 points 2 months ago
[-] emmy67@lemmy.world 51 points 2 months ago

Mr Maduro accused the opposition of producing fake evidence to contest the result of the election and said the US was behind what he described as a farce and a coup attempt.

Wouldn't be the first time

[-] sandbox@lemmy.world 45 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Edit: Thank you so much to Kecessa for providing actually credible information - it definitely seems that there’s some election rigging going on.

For everyone who just scolded me instead of just presenting the data, that’s not helpful. When people are asking for data, just either provide that data or don’t. Your opinions hold basically zero weight.

My original comment below:

~~None of this “overwhelming evidence” has been presented to the public. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Opinion polls don’t count for shit. Show me proof of a fixed election and I’ll believe you, but right now this entire thing stinks of the US not getting to control Venezuela and being really fucking mad about it. ~~

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 54 points 2 months ago

I'm sure you've done tons of research into these claims and are certainly not just making a loud uninformed take

[-] sandbox@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago

I’ve read a few articles. They’re all like, “we have sooooo much evidence that the election is rigged! Just so much!! But it goes to another school, so just trust me bro.”

I’m very happy to be proven wrong, if you have anything compelling to share, please do.

[-] teamevil@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago

Last time I heard that argument it was from coked out pillow con man

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[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago

You can download the voter sheets that the opposition is presenting and investigate it yourself. Thankfully the AP already has (I trust them enough for this) and it indicates the government of Venezuela is lying

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 44 points 2 months ago

Maduro and buddies are already saying the post election protests were a CIA coup attempt. They knew this was coming and they tried to get out ahead of it.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago

And plenty of useful idiots here are parroting him, because "US Bad"

[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 2 months ago

The US is bad. Especially when it comes to South America. And especially with socialist countries. The US always sanctions socialism to then claim it doesn't work. Otherwise americans might start to doubt their ultra capitalism.

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[-] gandalf_der_12te 39 points 2 months ago

I think the venezuelan government is wrong this time, and the election was rigged, bUT: it coming from the US doesn't mean shit.

[-] toast@retrolemmy.com 23 points 2 months ago

It is sad that on any topic concerning South America, I am suspicious of anything that the US says.

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[-] wurzelgummidge@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago

Overwhelming evidence

I wonder why he didn't present any of it then. Looks pretty Donald Trump-like to me

[-] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 68 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Evidence was literally uploaded by the opposition, and has been analyzed by multiple news organizations already who agree with their conclusions. Not to mention the exit polls and other available public evidence.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/masked-assailants-ransack-venezuela-opposition-134849213.html?guccounter=1

Here's another organization that independently gathered many of the polling receipts with similar results:

https://supervisiondev2.metabaseapp.com/public/dashboard/6b2f7b3b-16ec-4af6-84c7-69c39ee2139d?tab=16-english

The opposition leader is in hiding (who was barred by Maduro's government for running, among many other tactics with government powers Maduro used to try to tilt the vote in his favor). Maduro has rounded up over 1000 members of the opposition already to try and prevent this data from being gathered and take more political prisoners. The Carter Center, who Maduro government themselves invited as a monitor, said that:

“Venezuela’s electoral process did not meet international standards of electoral integrity at any of its stages and violated numerous provisions of its own national laws.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/01/americas/venezuela-election-opposition-machado-hiding-intl-latam/index.html

The only one fighting transparency and trying to hide results here is Maduro. These tallies were all stored on qr codes. Maduro could have released them at anytime and chose not to. Could have instantly been released the night of the election, as they were coming in if he wanted. Can't believe people on here are still falling for this dictator's bald faced lies.

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[-] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 44 points 2 months ago

Because the official evidence is held by the incumbent government. The evidence we do have access to, from extensive exit polls by neutral auditors to the mandated voting station slips (small pieces of paper that each voter is issued giving them the electronic count so far at that station) both track a 60 - 70% lead for the opposition.

In response, instead of releasing the official report, the incumbent government has brutally crushed several protests (even killing protestors), arrested the opposition, and claimed victory. Not exactly the pattern of behavior of an innocent victor.

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[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 months ago

What about the election in Pakistan? That was clearly rigged yet the US never made a it a problem.

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago

If Maduro had acted like a good suckup dictator, all of this would be declared "internal matter of Venzuela" and Blinken would have moved on lol.

But no, he had to refuse the US's foreign demands like he has sovereignty or something. Now we actually have to coup him for real this time, and make it look like we upgraded the democracy while doing it.

spoilerBut seriously rip Imran Khan. Pakistan had one big chance to save itself and it took the army like 5 seconds and a tiny IMF loan from the USA to burn it all down.

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[-] kittenzrulz123 30 points 2 months ago

US involvement makes this suspicious especially when it's against a socialist candidate.

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[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 30 points 2 months ago

Please make your point explicit. Ronald Reagan and other right-wingers opposed the Soviet Union. Does that mean the Soviet Union should have remained intact and counter-revolutionaries in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Poland kept suppressed?

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[-] b161 23 points 2 months ago

Maybe America should stop genociding Palestinians before trying to act like some kind of moral authority on other countries.

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