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Edit: Thank you so much to Kecessa for providing actually credible information - it definitely seems that there’s some election rigging going on.
For everyone who just scolded me instead of just presenting the data, that’s not helpful. When people are asking for data, just either provide that data or don’t. Your opinions hold basically zero weight.
My original comment below:
~~None of this “overwhelming evidence” has been presented to the public. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Opinion polls don’t count for shit. Show me proof of a fixed election and I’ll believe you, but right now this entire thing stinks of the US not getting to control Venezuela and being really fucking mad about it. ~~
I'm sure you've done tons of research into these claims and are certainly not just making a loud uninformed take
I’ve read a few articles. They’re all like, “we have sooooo much evidence that the election is rigged! Just so much!! But it goes to another school, so just trust me bro.”
I’m very happy to be proven wrong, if you have anything compelling to share, please do.
Last time I heard that argument it was from coked out pillow con man
Exactly. The opposition keeps saying they have proof but not revealing it. It's all very Trumpian. He said they have proof the election was fixed, too. I'm starting not to believe the US in this one.
I mean kinda me too....what I'm really afraid is that is foreshadowing November here
Oh damn, now you have me worried, too lol. I 100% bet Trump his team and their supporters will look to this election for lessons.
To be clear, I don't think Maduro is a good guy at all, and he seems to be handling this terribly. But that only makes Venezuela easier to do this with, especially considering US interests in the region. (Insert Elon Musk's "we can coup whoever we want" quote here.) Hopefully it all becomes clearer after the deadline Mexico, Brazil, and Colombia gave them to release full data and figure this out. Those 3 countries seem to be handling this the best by reaching out to both parties and handling this in a slow, calm manner. I'm trying to keep an open mind like them until then.
o shit nice to see you again
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You can download the voter sheets that the opposition is presenting and investigate it yourself. Thankfully the AP already has (I trust them enough for this) and it indicates the government of Venezuela is lying
I know we're not supposed to accuse others of being disingenuous actors on behalf of a criminal state, but it's getting hard to believe this many supposedly well read people are so ignorant of what happened in Venezuela.
People are quite rightly skeptical of mass media narratives. If presented with actual evidence you’ll find that people are willing to believe things. 99% of the coverage of the election in Venezuela has been spin from their political enemies.
They're not ignorant. They're fascists cheering for their team.
Miss this one?
https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-election-maduro-machado-edmundo-chorizo-6d9f3999c60c09eb30e69c757ce80b11
This is a story about it, I’d love to see the scans, where are they?
Edit: Never mind, another user shared the link.
Not everyone can have every expertise. You can dismiss a tally sheet written in crayon, but would you know an authentic one from a forgery? Some things have to be left to experts, like rocket scientists, nuclear engineers, and oncologists.
That is totally irrelevant. I specifically asked for the evidence, not for some journalist’s report on what some source said about how they got the evidence.
If you asked me for proof that Elon Musk tweeted something, I’d link you the tweet, not a report about how people are reacting to Elon’s tweet.
They don't. And they don't need to! Being rude at people who disagree with the US State departments official position (which is not propaganda) is good enough, because propaganda = opinions that are not in line with the US state dept.
They believe that "fact" so powerfully that theyll get angry at you and insult you. Other facts become unnecessary if the person saying them is untrustworthy. Uncomfortable truths, any thoughts about the US's many, many efforts to control the global south may be terminated along with the messenger.
Besides people use Ad hominem because it's just so easy
Do you read what you have written and think, "yeah, that was a reasonable take?"
People are literally pointing this person toward the information they claim doesn’t exist. A few people were abrasive about it bc it comes up under an easy search. But they’ve ignored it, double down, and been dismissive.
Say what you want about the hive mind of Lemmy but be honest about this interaction.
Nobody pointed me towards anything until now and I literally immediately said “thank you” and amended my comment.
It literally does not come up after an easy search. Someone had to directly link me to a strange website that I’ve never heard of before so I could see the proof.
And you’re scolding people for being dishonest? lol
So what you are saying is that you have not been paying attention?
There's no need to act like an asshole. I asked for proof, nothing more. Despite the dozens of people who downvoted me, only one was able to provide it, and it doesn’t show up on a Google search (due to the amount of blog spam about the topic, I suppose)
I haven’t seen that proof shared anywhere else. Have you? If so, where?
https://supervisiondev2.metabaseapp.com/public/dashboard/6b2f7b3b-16ec-4af6-84c7-69c39ee2139d?tab=16-english
Yes it has
Thank you so much for being the only person to actually deliver what I asked for instead of some bullshit sermon. This looks legit. I will amend my original comment.