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Blinken: Overwhelming evidence Venezuela opposition won election (www.bbc.com)

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His intervention comes as the presidents of Brazil, Mexico and Colombia all called on Venezuela to release the full details of last Sunday's election.

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It has also attracted global criticism, with many governments around the world demanding the Venezuelan government release proof of the result.

The result has been recognised by Venezuelan allies China, Russia and Iran.

But, the US, European Union and other G7 countries have called on Mr Maduro’s government to release detailed voting data.

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[-] Visstix@lemmy.world 57 points 2 months ago

You're acting like only America says something about it. Only the most scummy countries seem to "believe" maduro.

[-] TheAlbatross 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No, I've just seen this kinda thing happen again and again, specifically with Venezuela. Sadly, the nation is getting used as a political battleground, so of course America and its allies are on one side and their rivals on the other.

Plus, the US has a long dark history of meddling in the politics of South American countries, this is absolutely the kind of thing it does to extert power.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 40 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is not that.

Most of those failed interventions of Latin America mind you come from conservative administrations. Blinken isn't a Neocon.

Maduro is corrupt as fuck and myriad independent nations and watchdogs corroborate the same point.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 20 points 2 months ago

Blinken hasn't said anything about the IDF committing war crimes in Gaza despite overwhelming evidence, so I'm going to say he's being selective at least when it comes to reviewing evidence.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes that sucks. I have my thoughts on the Israeli conflict that add considerable nuance. However, we are discussing Latin America, which what I said is factually correct. Why are you deflecting to Israel now? I could just as easily point to Blinken highlighting the war crimes Russia has committed and which a Neocon never would've cared.

Once again, many nations corroborate this, and Maduro is known to be corrupt from the outset.

The allies supporting Maduro are... China...Iran... and Russia... Just bastions of freedom and transparency, amirite.

[-] Strawberry 9 points 2 months ago

Just wanted to chime in and say that pointing to Blinken's inconsistency on addressing oppressive regimes isn't deflection, it's context illuminating his motivations in the public statements he makes, this being one on Venezuela

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

The way I see the current administration's policy is this:

Obviously we've had longstanding defense agreements with Israel.
Obviously APAIC is an incredibly strong lobbyist
It's dangerous to get ahead of polls and walk back defending Israel following October 7th
Especially when the Jewish-American electorate is every bit as vital to getting Democrats over the finish-line.
Now imagine if you will that Biden withdraws all aid to Israel, but then Bibi in a false-flag just so happens to say oopsies again and ignores intelligence and let's another terrorist attack happen on Israeli soil. Democrats would lose in a landslide.

I think ultimately a lot of the optics right now is framed around getting reelected and ensuring Trump, who would be far more pro-genocide, doesn't get in the White House. Blinken is clearly echoing marching orders from Biden in that respect.

Do I believe this administration at this point wants anything to do with Bibi in reality? Not really.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 7 points 2 months ago

My point is that Blinken/the state department have been caught lying before, so using them as a source of information is just not something one should do.

[-] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 9 points 2 months ago

Plenty of Democratic administrations have done coups and wars all over the world. It's just a US empire policy, no matter who is President, mostly because of capitalism. Sure, conservatives are usually worse about it, but Democrats do it, too. Biden is supporting a genocide in Israel. McKinley fought the Philippines, Teddy Roosevelt in the Spanish American, JFK invaded Cuba and tried to coup it, Truman led the war in Korea and established a US puppet dictatorship in n the south for, JFK and LBJ were also involved in Vietnam, etc.

[-] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm probably getting downvoted here, but I agree with your statement of the US having had a problematic history of usurping power from democratically elected governments in Central and South America. You can at least see that some of the countries that support Venezuela's election results are run by dictators. Hell, Cuba and North Korea wouldn't be out of place on that list too. Considering that Maduro lost a lot of popularity after Chavez's death, partly due to the welfare system taking a huge hit when oil prices fell and partly due to him showing opulence in times of hunger.

All of these things may not be damning, but it puts the man in a bad light and makes me wonder if he actually did cheat the system in a way that our own domestic wannabe dictator tried doing just 4 years ago.

[-] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's not really democracies vs dictators, it's countries in the US's sphere vs countries not in the US's sphere. It becomes more obvious and easy to see then. The OAS has been a puppet of US interests since the beginning (there's a reason they didn't let Cuba in). It literally started by a pledge to fight communism in the western hemisphere. Basically, it's the US empire and it's puppets and allies vs a rising new order of old colonized and sanctioned countries, which admittedly looks scary, but hopefully will one day lead to a multipolar world where people can deal with their own local issues without worry of western interference (which has almost always been net bad for the people of those countries in the global south Asia, Africa, and South America).

[-] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 8 points 2 months ago

A country full of resources is very often a curse for its people.

On a note, *meddling.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

America is a scummy country:

[-] Visstix@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Yes but the others are definitely worse.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

What could be worse than an alliance with a genocidal party like Likud?

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