553
submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

His intervention comes as the presidents of Brazil, Mexico and Colombia all called on Venezuela to release the full details of last Sunday's election.

It has also attracted global criticism, with many governments around the world demanding the Venezuelan government release proof of the result.

The result has been recognised by Venezuelan allies China, Russia and Iran.

But, the US, European Union and other G7 countries have called on Mr Maduro’s government to release detailed voting data.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[-] wurzelgummidge@lemmy.world 37 points 6 months ago

Overwhelming evidence

I wonder why he didn't present any of it then. Looks pretty Donald Trump-like to me

[-] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 68 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Evidence was literally uploaded by the opposition, and has been analyzed by multiple news organizations already who agree with their conclusions. Not to mention the exit polls and other available public evidence.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/masked-assailants-ransack-venezuela-opposition-134849213.html?guccounter=1

Here's another organization that independently gathered many of the polling receipts with similar results:

https://supervisiondev2.metabaseapp.com/public/dashboard/6b2f7b3b-16ec-4af6-84c7-69c39ee2139d?tab=16-english

The opposition leader is in hiding (who was barred by Maduro's government for running, among many other tactics with government powers Maduro used to try to tilt the vote in his favor). Maduro has rounded up over 1000 members of the opposition already to try and prevent this data from being gathered and take more political prisoners. The Carter Center, who Maduro government themselves invited as a monitor, said that:

“Venezuela’s electoral process did not meet international standards of electoral integrity at any of its stages and violated numerous provisions of its own national laws.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/01/americas/venezuela-election-opposition-machado-hiding-intl-latam/index.html

The only one fighting transparency and trying to hide results here is Maduro. These tallies were all stored on qr codes. Maduro could have released them at anytime and chose not to. Could have instantly been released the night of the election, as they were coming in if he wanted. Can't believe people on here are still falling for this dictator's bald faced lies.

[-] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

From what I heard, the government released them on a website but it got hacked and shut down. Now he released them to the Supreme Court and invited the opposition to look at them, but they didn't show up.

I don't agree with them arresting opposing candidates and stuff like that, but I also don't trust the US's opinions on this matter. They've tried to coup Venezuela basically every year and every election lol. The opposition releasing their interpretation of data is like Trumps saying they should've won from their polling data in all the red states. Idk, it's very easy to manipulate, especially with US help.

[-] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 32 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The government did not release them, and you've provided no source for your claim. Also, showing up to a courthouse as they're all rounded up and being thrown in a jail? Give me a break. Many countries are calling for the release of the results, including leftist governments like Colombia and Brazil.

[-] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago

Source for what? The hack? That claim has been in Western media, too.

I don't think he'll arrest Gonzalez because he knows it would backfire hard on him, but he does need to stop all the rhetoric about jailing his opposition. It's certainly not helping.

[-] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

There's nothing in the source you linked about Maduro releasing results online and some "hack" not allowing it. Maduro has not released any results.

The source you linked does report all the things I've said in my comment again though.

And it's not just rhetoric, he is jailing his opposition.

[-] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

Sorry, I guess I was mistaken. Looks like the story is he tried to release them but got hacked. Thanks for catching that.

Right, but because they're protesting and rioting. Even the US has done that for less. And within the last couple months.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago

Their Supreme Court is very biased towards PSUV. Letting them weigh in is like letting a fox count how many eggs are in your henhouse.

[-] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 44 points 6 months ago

Because the official evidence is held by the incumbent government. The evidence we do have access to, from extensive exit polls by neutral auditors to the mandated voting station slips (small pieces of paper that each voter is issued giving them the electronic count so far at that station) both track a 60 - 70% lead for the opposition.

In response, instead of releasing the official report, the incumbent government has brutally crushed several protests (even killing protestors), arrested the opposition, and claimed victory. Not exactly the pattern of behavior of an innocent victor.

[-] BossDj@lemm.ee 17 points 6 months ago

Just to clarify, the evidence provided by opposition is not from exit polls. The evidence is genuine voting receipts from the machines that are supposed to be* guaranteed to each party's site observers

*Opposition says many of their observers were removed without being allowed access to their polling site receipts to explain why they didn't have them all

The electronic machines provide every voter a paper receipt that shows which candidate they chose. Voters are supposed to deposit their receipts at ballot boxes before exiting the polls.

After polls close, each machine prints a tally sheet showing the candidates’ names and the votes each received. Party representatives stationed at polling sites throughout election day get a copy of the tally sheet, and electoral authorities keep another one.

AP News

[-] wurzelgummidge@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago
[-] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 42 points 6 months ago

So release the official counts and let people compare their voting slips? Don't arrest your opposition?

If it quacks like a dictatorship and stinks like a dictatorship...

[-] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

They tried and the site got hacked.

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

LOL, what a convenient excuse.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

Lol sure. No other website can hold the data either, it's gone now, like in an internet tube, vanished I say.

What an idiot lie.

this post was submitted on 03 Aug 2024
553 points (100.0% liked)

World News

40061 readers
2605 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS