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His intervention comes as the presidents of Brazil, Mexico and Colombia all called on Venezuela to release the full details of last Sunday's election.

It has also attracted global criticism, with many governments around the world demanding the Venezuelan government release proof of the result.

The result has been recognised by Venezuelan allies China, Russia and Iran.

But, the US, European Union and other G7 countries have called on Mr Maduro’s government to release detailed voting data.

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[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 59 points 2 months ago

We also have overwhelming evidence Blinken has supported multiple coup attempts in Venezuela throughout his career.

Downvote actual facts if you like, you’re only showing your bias.

[-] zabadoh@ani.social 32 points 2 months ago

Don't distract from the issue with whatabout-ism arguments.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

lol. You’re arguing that Blinken trying to overthrow the Venezuelan government in the past is a whataboutism to any discussion of Blinken trying to do it again, right now even?

It would be laughable if it wasn’t so pathetic

Y’all cable news watchers use Orwellian talking points without a lick of irony. Wow

[-] stellargmite@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

I don't have any skin in this game, but what are the Orwellian talking points you refer to? I’m curious how this term is used and develops over time.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You’re suggesting the opposite of a thing is the thing, in this case it is Blinken having supported multiple coup attempts in Venezuela being a non relevant talking point to him currently supporting a coup in Venezuela

I would say “currently supporting another coup he supported last election” but nah, we’ve already established this is somewhere between his support of coups in Venezuela 12-15 times

Thanks for asking

Edit; it wasn’t you it was the other guy who was using the Orwellian double speak or whatever

He suggested that me mentioning blinkers previous support of coups in Venezuela during a discussion about blinkens support a a current coup attempt in Venezuela is a whataboutism or what not

[-] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

If somebody losses the election and still rules, that person/party are there ones who made a coup. Opposing this statement can only mean you support any and all dictators as long as they role play as a democracy once every few years.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 1 points 2 months ago
[-] enbyecho@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago
[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Absolutely, but if you were really interested in facts this information is not hard to find once you stop watching cable news…..

I doubt you’ll read any of it but here is a random google search….

Details of a dozen or so coup attempts by us government

https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv2tr51zb

Details of Blinken’s work history in the us government over this same period

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Blinken#:~:text=He%20previously%20served%20as%20deputy,Biden%20from%202009%20to%202013.&text=Yonkers%2C%20New%20York%2C%20U.S.

Bias report on the jstor.org showing reporting credibility as factual and also detailing any of their bias etc

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/jstore-daily/

If you believe western media and United States governments reporting on issues in Venezuela, you’re critical thinking ability is non existent.

I’m not an expert on Venezuela, but again, western media and the USA government has zero credibility on issues concerning Venezuela.

[-] enbyecho@lemmy.world 51 points 2 months ago

Absolutely, but if you were really interested in facts this information is not hard to find once you stop watching cable news…… I doubt you’ll read any of it but here is a random google search….

Your snark, arrogance and cynicism are unwarranted and inappropriate.

But I do appreciate your providing some info - I was genuinely curious and didn't quite know where to find this evidence - initial searches did not turn up the kind of "overwhelming evidence" you claimed existed. I'm not for a second disputing the USA's involvement in coup attempts or regime change in general - I think this is quite adequately documented. But your claim was that there is "...overwhelming evidence Blinken has supported multiple coup attempts" but the best you can do is to essentially say he's guilty of this personally because he has worked for the US government.

That's honestly pretty weak.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 13 points 2 months ago

lol. You’re saying that without irony.

That’s not me being arrogant, I nailed it, I just did a slam dunk in your face after I alley-ooped my own pass.

And when your audience has zero critical thinking skills it’s probably the most appropriate time for cynicism.

Yes, I hate to break it to you but folks working for the leadership in the state department and national security of the us government are complicit in US backed coup attempts.

But your attempt to straw man my evidence is a sorry attempt to deflect from the actual fact that the United States and western media completely fabricate most everything anytime they open their lips to speak on issues concerning Venezuela.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago
[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 8 points 2 months ago
[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Do you see the vote counts? You suck here. How open minded and independently researched you clearly are.

[-] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

That's not me being arrogant, I nailed it, just did a slam dunk in your face after alley-ooped my own pass.

Not only arrogant, but cringe.

Sad to see "useful" idiots like you who probably don't even know where Venezuela is, but as long as they are against the US they have to be good, right?

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 2 points 2 months ago

At least I’m useful. One day you’ll be there.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

If you believe every protest is a CIA backed coup attempt then nobody can help you.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

According to Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter, only the UN Security Council has a mandate by the international community to apply sanctions (Article 41) that must be complied with by all UN member states(Article 2,2). source

Unilateral sanctions tend to destabilize economies causing protests.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

This seems like it should be a response to someone else's comment?

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

Mexico, Brazil, and Colombia are also asking for election data here, but you neglect to consider that.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You have this idea in your head that because you fully believe your news sources, that I am somehow in opposition to whatever your ideology on this issue is.

My goal is to point out that nothing western media or the US government has said or is saying is reliable on issues specifically concerning Venezuela, for at (the very) least the past three decades.

“I'm giving you a choice: either put on these glasses or start eatin' that trash can.” ——-Nada, from the movie They Live.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Okay, and my point is regardless of if what you say is merited or not, Maduro can still have cheated.

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

A raging asshole who is right is still right, despite being a raging asshole.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 4 points 2 months ago
[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Oh my what an amusing and original observation, one never before uttered in the history of the internet.

You waste your gifted prose on us my good person, please go find a country to be the Poet Laureate for, I am sure there are several waiting on your reply.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 3 points 2 months ago

Thanks, you have a great username

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Took me around four seconds to pick it.

I had intended it to be a warning so people aren't disappointed in my sarcasm or shocked by my vitriol.

It hasn't worked so far...

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