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[-] zqwzzle@lemmy.ca 45 points 3 months ago
[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 45 points 3 months ago

Please use this and don't make up your own shit on the fly. It's very understandable both as a rep and a customer.

[-] Bertuccio@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

In a phone conversation with a vendor they interrupted me while spelling to say something like "oh thank God you're using the normal one and not shit like 'frankfurter' "

[-] desktop_user 23 points 3 months ago

O as in opossum, p as in pnumonia, c as in Chicago.

[-] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

K as in knight

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[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 41 points 3 months ago
[-] cornshark@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Beautiful, though they didn't really describe dd well

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago

Not sure about why people are surprised by this alphabet. It’s been in use for quite some time in its current form. I work in aviation and we always use this for radio communications. Obviously the military does too.

[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

🎵Foxtrot... Uniform... Charlie... Kilo....! 🎶

(Bloodhound Gang song)

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[-] cornshark@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I can't remember this guide but I remember the Android Phonetic Alphabet

  • Alpha
  • Beta
  • Cupcake
  • Donut
  • Eclair
  • Froyo
  • Gingerbread
  • Honeycomb
  • Ice Cream
  • Jelly Bean
  • KitKat
  • Lollipop
  • Marshmallow
  • Nougat
  • Oreo
  • Pie
  • Quiche
  • Red Velvet
  • Sugar Cookie
  • Tiramisu
  • Upside Down Cake
  • Vanilla
  • Waffle

There are no other letters

[-] Bumblefumble@lemm.ee 9 points 3 months ago

Pretty sure it's Ice Cream Sandwich for I.

[-] MTK@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Fuck me if someone tells me over the phone:

Cupcake, Upside down cake, Marshmallow

[-] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Quiche doesn't really work, but otherwise it's not bad.

[-] kaotic@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)
[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 16 points 3 months ago

When I was a kid, I was in a clan for Battlefield Vietnam that took itself waaaaay too seriously, had a good number of JROTC kids that insisted we all needed to know this, the NATO phonetic alphabet.

We were using teamspeak, had a session where the group leader stood us all in a line, and one by one wanted us to sound it off.

Guy 1: Alpha!

Guy 2 (me): Bravo!

Guy 3: Catholic!

Group Lead: sighs

shoots Guy 3 in the face

[-] MTK@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

X is X-ray??

And F is Foxtrot but not just Fox??

Am I the only that thinks this is crazy?

[-] JayTreeman@fedia.io 20 points 3 months ago

It was designed like that for a reason. There's a lack of one syllable words there, and the ones that are there sound very different. It's also used for messages that require precision that the average person doesn't need in day to day life.

[-] Philippe23@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"Fox" could be confused with "box", so it goes with "Foxtrot".

Also, keep in mind that everything is a product of its time.

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[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago

Not really, but it makes sense to me.

I learned the phonetic alphabet partly because of the fact that I obtained my amateur radio operator qualification. I'm a "ham" radio person.

Hearing these on the radio, which isn't super clear to begin with in most cases, it's much easier to use this way and almost trivial to understand others when they spell anything over the radio. Given this is the NATO alphabet, it's used by all kinds of people, from ham operators like me, to government/military. Often in conjunction with some kind of communications system, often but not always radio communications, where the signal might be poor.

I think the original intent was to ensure that all letters sounded as unique as possible, so even if you only catch part of the word (maybe the rest is obfuscated by static), you still understand the what was said.

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[-] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It is 100% more fun to make them up yourself though

[-] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 8 points 3 months ago

This alphabet was carefully designed to minimize the chance of confusion. I'd rather be accurate than fun.

... I don't get invited to many parties.

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[-] sem 8 points 3 months ago

This is all fun and games until someone says "M as in Mancy"

[-] Trabic@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago

A as in Aye

E as in Ewe

S as in Sea

W as in Why

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[-] nevetsg@aussie.zone 8 points 3 months ago

When I worked IT helpdesk I created my own one of these. Others photocopied it, they were photocopied. Years later I dropped in and saw one of the new staff with my phonetic alphabet stuck to the side of his screen. (I think they were also still using my mainframe login ID)

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[-] AquaTofana@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

I have no idea what it is with the letter "I" that throws me off. I've been using this alphabet since I joined the military ~15 years ago, and for some reason "I" still turns into "Igloo", "Indigo" or "Israel" most of the time. It's just that one singular letter that I can never remember!

[-] Skunk@jlai.lu 4 points 3 months ago

For me it’s Quebec and Kilo, even after more than 15 years in aviation.

Like for spelling my handle here, my first reflex is to say Sierra Quebec uniform…Uuuh no, Sierra Kilo Uniform November Kilo.

[-] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago

Ah, Kebek! Make sure to try the pooteen!

[-] AquaTofana@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Glad to know it's not just me! Kilo and Quebec makes sense, given that both start with that hard K sound and theyre both words associated with the NATO alphabet. I could easily see struggling with that one too if not for the Bloodhound Gang teaching me "Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo" early on in my youth.

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[-] CompN12@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 7 points 3 months ago

My favorite is asking a call Rep if I can switch to phonetic, and then rattling off the spellings when given the go ahead.

The only reason I have it drilled into my head is because the warehouse I work at uses voice for confirming locations.

[-] CalPal@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 months ago

Average Canadian: "Oh yeah, I got this one easy bud!"

Alright, for your final test: how do you spell Quebec?

AC: "Oh, for sure, that one there is easy! It's, uh... Q, for... uh..."

...

AC: "Q... for... Kay-beck..."

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[-] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 months ago

The only one I don't like is Z is for Zulu. I've never heard of that word before and it could easily be mistaken for Hulu. Z should be changed to Zebra.

[-] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Zebra is much closer to Sierra and Papa, than Zulu is to any other word in that list - they are specifically chosen to be distinctly understandable in difficult-to-hear situations. And should they change it every time a new brand gets popular that's kinda similar to one of the words?

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[-] Umbrias@beehaw.org 6 points 3 months ago

Zulu could have been different, but has "no" (read:minimized) risk of being mistaken for hulu because hulu is not part of the phonetic alphabet. The phonetic alphabet is standardized because it must be, you can find rhymes for any one of these words. No list could be reasonably constructed that wouldn't. Therefore the only reasonable choice is a standardized list that is designed to not self rhyme.

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 5 points 3 months ago

When I first started working at a callcenter, I quickly went "oh I need to learn a phonetic alphabet" and printed and posted the NATO alphabet at my desk

[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 months ago

We used to do it with everything but the NATO alphabet. Everyone had their own version, I would mostly use first names, some colleagues would do cities, animals, countries, etc etc.

[-] WhyFlip@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Reinvent the wheel - always a good use of time.

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[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

I memorized it on my commute to work. I taped it to my dash and practiced on the license plates of the cars on the highway. I took it off my dash once I could read street signs out loud before passing them.

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 6 points 3 months ago

Instructions unclear, stuck under the twisted metal of my vehicle. Send paramedics.

[-] xor@infosec.pub 4 points 3 months ago

there are other versions that would be more suitable to the public….

Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog, Easy, Fox, George, How, Item, Jig, King, Love, Mike, Nan, Oboe, Peter, Queen, Roger, Sugar, Tare, Uncle, Victor, William, X-ray, Yoke, Zebra.

Adam, Boston, Chicago, Denver, Edward, Frank, George, Henry, Ida, John, King, Lincoln, Mary, New York, Ocean, Peter, Queen, Roger, Sugar, Thomas, Union, Victor, William, X-Ray, Young, Zero.

….
any common words will word

[-] Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 months ago

I feel like "N as in Nan" could easily sound like "M as in Man."

[-] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Yeah, use clearly distinct words, like "M as in Mancy".

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[-] ramirezmike@programming.dev 5 points 3 months ago

the 2nd list isn't great.. Chicago and Sugar? N is two words, Mary and Henry are similar.. I think part of the NATO one is you'd be able to tell even if you miss part of the word.

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[-] MicrowavedTea@infosec.pub 4 points 3 months ago

As a non-native speaker I'd have no idea how to pronounce or spell Jig, Oboe, Tare or Yoke

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[-] tiredofsametab@kbin.run 4 points 3 months ago

E for egg isn't even consistent throughout the English-speaking world. That vowel might be quite different in something like South African or Kiwi English compared to other dialects.

[-] joby@programming.dev 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's not even consistent within the US. I've known people who, if they said that sentence over the phone it would sound a lot like "E as in A"

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