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American gen Z voters share how they feel about Kamala Harris’s presidential bid, why they like or dislike her as a candidate and whether they think she could beat Donald Trump, as the vice-president races towards winning the Democratic nomination for November’s election.

‘I think she’s just what we need’

“I think [Kamala Harris] is the only one that makes sense. She will get the votes Biden couldn’t. She could get the Black, Asian, Latino, women’s, LGBTQ+ and youth votes. She stands more for progress and equality than an old white dude and if she wins it will be historic. The Democrats need a bold move and I think she’s just what we need.

“I hope the Democrats realize what an opportunity this is for them.” Will, 22, construction worker from Portland, Oregon

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[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 164 points 1 month ago

This is why I keep repeating "vote for the administration, not the candidate". Just look at the damage the Trump administration circus did futing the shit show that was his term. Now look at the good that the Biden administration has done in its term. Harris would likely keep a large portion of the team.

The only real deep blemish on the Biden administration has been its support of the Palestinian genocide. If Trump was president, he would has encouraged Netanyahu to be far more brutal. You can also kiss Ukraine, human rights, and democracy goodbye under a Trump second term. But sure...don't vote.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 57 points 1 month ago

Vote for the administration AND JUDGES!

we've had a front row seat to what happens when idiots don't vote (for Hillary because butterymales or whatever) because they're too focused on the personality of the candidate... Who picks the judges matters!

[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

Alito and Thomas have both signalled that they'll retire if Trump wins. I find forcing them to either remain in a job they both clearly dislike or get replaced with a judge who'll reverse the harm they've done to be pretty motivational.

[-] aniki@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 month ago

Hope they fucking croak from the stress of being investigated by the DoJ.

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[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago

For sure. I throw judge selection under administration. The President doesn't know any of these judges, they are presented to the President by the team the President put together.

[-] slickgoat@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

This is how it is done in Australia by our High Court. A judiciary panel shortlists the candidates and the Government usually takes the first on the list - conservative or liberal government, doesn't matter. The selection isn't politicised - the most qualified gets the job.

Our high court has a reputation for annoying governments from either side.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 10 points 1 month ago

I wish... Our system is the heritage foundation chooses whatever judges align with what they want to accomplish, spend 2 decades calling liberal appointed judges "activist judges that want to legislate from the bench" and then hand the Republican president a list of activist judges who will legislate from the bench because everything Republicans say their opposition does is projecting what they actually intend to do...

I hate that it works... They do it first so when you push back on what they are doing it looks like the childish "no you!" argument so it immediately defuses any resistance...

[-] leadore@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Yep. Trump pulled his judge picks right off the wish list of extremist judges the Heritage Foundation hand-picked for him. It's sickening how many judges he got to appoint, on top of getting to choose 3! 😭 SCOTUS justices (one of the seats was stolen by McConnell).

Of course one of those judges was Aileen Cannon who after delaying the classified docs case against him as long as possible, finally went ahead and tossed it out completely on the ridiculous grounds that there shouldn't have been a special prosecutor for it.

[-] tiefling 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

As a professional circus performer, please don't bring us down to their level. Most of us are bleeding heart communist hippies, and circuses take a TON of coordination to run.

[-] Infynis@midwest.social 30 points 1 month ago

The only real deep blemish on the Biden administration has been its support of the Palestinian genocide.

Definitely the biggest, but not the only. Two others that stand out to me are his breaking of the rail strike, and his border policies.

But of course, this all comes with the caveat that all of this, under Trump, would be unimaginably worse

[-] absentbird@lemm.ee 28 points 1 month ago

Congress broke the strike with a veto-proof majority, Biden didn't have much choice in the matter.

At least Biden was able to negotiate and apply pressure to get most of the demands met for the rail workers after the strike was prevented. The unions were largely grateful for the administration's efforts on the issue.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 month ago
[-] tetris11@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

my emotions in this chain have been so far:

  • outrage
  • pleasant surprise
  • outrage again
  • confusion

I think I'll settle on the idea that whatever Biden did, it was at least better than what Trump would've. Then again it's this exact same blind logic that Trump supporters say about Biden.

[-] Hawanja@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

If Trump were pres we'd probably have troops there helping with the genocide.
We definitely would be helping out Russia against Ukraine.

[-] ours@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

The sad truth is no US president can go against the Israeli lobby unless some major changes are made.

But I agree with you, Trump would have happily and loudly complied with Bibi's Government.

If Trump was president, he would has encouraged Netanyahu to be far more brutal.

I can't imagine there is a higher level of cruelty than what is currently occurring right now. They're being denied food and water and being shot for fun.

Rest of your point aside,as far as Gaza is concerned it's already at "worst".

Sure we can imagine hypotheticals but bibi is doing whatever he wants already.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

These people are voting. Biden is no longer the candidate. You no longer have to lecture people into voting for him.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago

These people *are* voting.

These people are saying they are going to vote. Everyone needs reminding of the consequences of a second Trump term. Also, the "Kamala is a cop" narrative is also in full swing.

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 89 points 1 month ago

Look what happens when the party listens. Maybe they'll keep listening if they see this works.

Maybe Biden stepping down heralds the tipping point away from arrogant, ineffective, conservative gerontocracy within the Democratic party and toward a more progressive future.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 49 points 1 month ago

God, progressives suck. Conservatives vote. Every election. Doesn't matter what the polls say. Doesn't matter what the weather is. Doesn't matter who is running. They fucking VOTE. That's why a small minority is able to run roughshod over the interests of the majority: the majority doesn't fucking vote!!

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

That's because their party reflects their voters' will. More than two-thirds of Democrats said that they didn't want Joe Biden for a second term, but they forced him through the nomination process anyway, without any challenge or debate. Meanwhile, the Republican party elites didn't want Trump on 2016 or 2024, but when their voters chose him, they accepted it. They didn't make back room deals with the other candidates to make Jeb the nominee, like the Democrats did for Biden.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No. It isn't. And no, it doesn't.

They vote no matter what. They vote even if they hate the candidate. Even if they hate the platform. They vote out of a sense of moral obligation that progressives entirely lack.

Their party works against their interests. I know it, you know it, and anyone who looks at it critically for half a second knows it. And yet they still vote.

There was that interesting research ten years back about the pillars of conservative and progressive morality. I seem to recall conservatives having five nearly universal core values, while progressives had only three of those. Conservatives value tradition and loyalty on an equal level with eg fairness and truth. Liberals still value tradition and loyalty, but they are not core values, and so things like truth take a higher priority. Conservatives literally don't care about the facts when they feel like their loyalty is tested.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Their party works against their interests. I know it, you know it, and anyone who looks at it critically for half a second knows it. And yet they still vote.

I didn't say their party reflects their interests, I said it reflects their will. Sure, the Republican policies screw over the working class, but Republican voters want candidates that will blame their problems on welfare recipients and immigrants, and they get it. They want religious zealots who will merge religion and government, and they get it. They want regressive social policies, and they get them. Meanwhile, Democratic voters ask for universal healthcare and get Mitt Romney's healthcare plan. They want the BBB plan, with universal pre-K and the expanded child tax credit, and they get an infrastructure deal.

Republicans tell their politicians what they want, and their politicians go out and get it, or at least try. Democrats tell their politicians what they want, and their politicians tell them why they can't have it. That's why turnout is different.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

We have lots of research on this subject. I am not stating personal opinions. This is the reason that voter disenfranchisement favours conservative voters.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Voter disenfranchisement? As in, laws that restrict voting? Then which is it? Progressives don't show up or progressives are disenfranchised?

[-] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

You guys are both right. Democrats ignore progressives to their detriment, and republicans line up dutifully to elect people who that truly represent who they are (i.e. hate-filled war mongers that want to punish women, minorities, LGBT, and democrats for being different).

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[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

And then Democrats convinced Biden to not run for a second term. Sounds like the party did in fact listen to the voters' will, and that's being reflected in the excitement that we're seeing across the board.

And you know what? I wish Republicans made backroom deals. I wish they recognized Trump was a significant threat and aligned to go against him.

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[-] MonkRome@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I mean... Even when we do have a primary, most of the left just stays home. It doesn't help that most people just can't be bothered.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I don't know that that's true. It's kinda hard to find data on progressive vs. centrist turnout, but generally, turnout for primaries has been going up, not down, and it was definitely young progressive voters that gave Obama the victory over Clinton.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Conservatives vote. Every election.

Turnout has varied enormously over the last twenty years. Conservatives are riding the same waves as the rest of us. A lot of that is built into home ownership. We're seeing a more migrant population that needs to constantly re-register and re-engage with the local political establishment after every change of address. Republicans are no longer the home-owning majority, now that the college demographic has shifted over to the liberal side of the spectrum. And Democrats are no longer the freshly migrant urbanites of the post Jim Crow era, fleeing the brutality of the Dixiecrat states.

Dems have eclipsed Republicans on voter registration, they consistently out-compete on turnout, and they've had a number of wave elections in off-years precisely because they're more consistent at voting than their Republican peers.

That’s why a small minority is able to run roughshod over the interests of the majority

No. Gerrymandering, vote caging, and strategic disenfranchisement at the county and state level are why small minorities are able to run roughshod over the interests of the majority. States like Ohio, North Carolina, Florida, and Texas have absolutely batshit insane maps, with a handful of districts packed to the gills full of liberal voters while conservatives are spread thinly across the remainder. Wisconsin just broke the GOP gerrymander that's kept the state legislature locked firmly red with barely 40% of the popular vote.

That's been a clever stopgap against popular governance in the short term, but its also a dangerous game when a suburban cohort shifts or defects on razor thin margins.

When Dem wave years happen, you can see thousands of seats flip overnight. But without that supermajority of voters, you'll see those same seats collapse red again. That was the story of 2008 -> 2010 and 2016 -> 2018 -> 2020. Suddenly influxes of Democrats would appear for a cycle only to get obliterated in time for Republicans to recement their gerrymanders.

Consequently, the Republican strategy has been to run out the clock on incoming Dem administrations, confident that they'll be back in control as soon as the wave passes. Democrat strategy has been to... fuck around for the two years they have a significant majority and then bitch at voters when the moment passes.

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[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 45 points 1 month ago

The other danger to avoid (again) is the assumption that because polls and news looks good for a candidate, a single vote won't matter, which results in a lapse of not voting. Repeat a few million times. Lead suddenly gone.

Vote, even if everyone is claiming it's a solid win. Vote as if your vote does matter, don't even debate if that's true or not.

[-] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 21 points 1 month ago

And vote blue to the bottom of the ticket! Let's take the whole government and then push them hard to fix this broken system!

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 15 points 1 month ago

Local is always as important, if not more, than the Presidential race. Midterms as well. In a world so highly interconnected and real time, we should be so much more democratically inspired, and yet apathy reigns.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

and yet apathy reigns.

Part of that has been a directed effort. Oil lobbyists, russian and chinese bots, other corporations, etc all have a vested interests in spreading disinformation and doomerism to encourage apathy.

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[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Well said. Even if you are in a solid-whatever state, the degree to which that is true is important. A 5 point lead is different from a 10 point lead, is different from a 20 point lead. The closer you can make it, the more you force people to pay attention to you.

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[-] Boozilla@lemmy.world 44 points 1 month ago

I get very frustrated when I see a few voters clinging to their "uncommitted" status even now. And the ones who do this often look like the kinds of people that the Trumpists will put into camps if he gets re-elected. Stop acting precious about it and commit to the obvious choice. The election is not about you, it's about the future of the country and whether or not we want to embrace or reject fascism.

[-] BertramDitore@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

I’m incredibly suspicious of anyone who still calls themselves uncommitted. And I’m convinced that anyone who makes that claim is more likely to vote for Trump or to not vote at all than to ultimately vote for Harris. If someone is reasonable enough to end up voting for Harris in November, I highly doubt they’re genuinely undecided about it now.

My best guess is that they’re just afraid to admit that they’ve already committed to Trump.

If the choice isn’t clear as day, maybe they’re nocturnal.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

In politics it's the opposite of "devil you know". It's why Congress flips so much after a presidents first election.

People know Biden know, and the more people know Biden the less they like him.

I don't think Harris will be great, but there is a chance she will be. That's enough to get a lot more votes than Biden.

If she hits the ground running we could even gain seats in 2026 for once. But she can't just "look into" shit to run down the clock. She needs a list of shit they can accomplish, and how many votes in Congress to accomplish each.

Be totally upfront about what we can do, and actually try to accomplish what we can do on day 1.

People will remember that come midterms.

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Campaign finance reform to stop unlimited money into politics and voting rights protections would be a huge win. If election day was a national holiday, that's something people would feel.

[-] finley@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The former sounds like an impossible get, but it would be a huge huge win. The latter sounds like something that she could actually accomplish.

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

That's funny, I see it the exact other way around. Since the Supreme Court declared monetary contributions are essentially a form of speech, campaign donations have been protected by the first amendment. This is difficult to overturn, since it's a SC ruling based in the constitution itself. Any law trying to say otherwise could be declared unconstitutional and completely struck down by this even more extreme court.

Main workaround I see is mandating more thorough transparency to at least be able to track it all. There's probably other strategies too though.

A federal holiday just takes a bill through congress. Won't be an easy one, would be filibustered for sure. But possible.

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I have heard irl from a few of us who moved out of the us, that they are now going out of their way to register to vote. So, that is a lot of hope, anecdotally.

[-] suction@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Ok good but if you planned to not vote against trump in any case, you’re with the fascists.

[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

For many late Gen Z'ers, this will be the first election they even get to vote. I remember being in high school and I couldn't wait to vote when I was 18 because I followed politics very closely. My peers on the other hand, not so much. For every kid at my school who was politically active enough to care about issues that mattered to them, there were about 4-5 more that were completely and utterly apathetic or didn't have a clue about the candidates or the issues.

The danger in assuming that people who are making the decision to vote now were somehow complicit with having Trump is that they may not have been aware of the problem to begin with. A lot of young eligible voters miss their first few elections because they haven't developed a political opinion beyond whatever their parents might think, they haven't taken the time to properly educate themselves on the issues, or there's still a disconnect between how the election results might affect them in their daily lives.

A fresh new candidate that is pumping energy into the race is getting young people motivated to vote, and that's a good thing. Let's not look a gift horse in the mouth.

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

All they have to get the gen Z votes is create an anime featuring Kamala doing cute chuckle stuff, expressing her love for venn diagrams and doing other geeky stuff. done.

the big winning factor for kamalas voter base is literally just her age. She's nearly 20 years younger than trump. 20 years

literally nothing else matters. Especially among gen z, it just helps that he has such a comprehensive background in government and around other politicians as well.

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[-] daltotron@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Gen Z is about to have their Obama moment like how millenials did, I'm taking bets for it now. Everything has happened before, time is a flat circle, I'm willing to bet.

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