Just to update you, we have now defederated from lemmygrad.

Have Lemmygrad users been causing problems on other instances? It seems to me it doesn't make sense to defederate for political reasons unless that instance is being actively belligerent. I haven't personally seen Lemmygrad users causing problems, but I also don't hang out in political communities much so I guess I wouldn't know.

I think we should only defederated instances that are actively harming this instances community in a way that cannot be handled any other way.

We all have personal block buttons that can be used to handle communities and individuals we don't want to see, and we have other less extreme tools at our disposal to handle a lot of things like this.

I disagree. I think that we should only defederate instances that are actively bigoted.

I hold a differing viewpoint

Lemmygrad, like any community centered around a particular political ideology, faces challenges in maintaining effective moderation. However, it is evident that they are making concerted efforts to moderate their platform and proactively address instances of bigotry. This aligns with the approach we adopt within our own community.

Lemmygrad enforces a comprehensive set of rules that explicitly prohibit various forms of bigotry, including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, and xenophobia. Furthermore, they have implemented measures to prevent and remove content that falls under the category of pornographic or sexually explicit material, even if it is labeled as not safe for work. Additionally, Lemmygrad explicitly disallows the propagation of dangerous Nazi ideologies, such as right-deviationist factions like patsocs, nazbols, strasserists, duginists, and similar groups.

While Lemmygrad operates as a socialist instance with a specific ideological focus, it is important to recognize that the community is not a monolithic entity. Within Lemmygrad, there are individuals who engage in discussions that encompass differing perspectives, including those who acknowledge and do not deny certain historical events.

While political disagreements may exist, it is evident that Lemmygrad is dedicated to ensuring an inclusive and respectful environment by actively moderating their platform and taking measures to prevent and remove instances of bigotry. Similarly, we strive to foster such an atmosphere within our own instance.

Nah that makes sense. Learn from the mistakes of early mastodon. Defederate only in extreme cases else you end up with a bunch of accts for no reason and it becomes unusable.

I personally think it's only really worth defederating instances that are actively stirring shit in other instances. Otherwise, we're adults, I think we should be allowed to look at instances with different politics if we want to. I do hope Lemmy adds the ability to block entire instances for users, though.

If you dislike a community, block all their communities yourself. I personally think defedding is only necessary when the userbase of another server is actively harassing the userbase of a different server, or they hold alt-right beliefs.

I generally agree, but I do somewhat agree with Beehaw's decision as long as it is actually temporary. They say that they just don't have the moderation tools required to handle the influx of low quality posts from those instances. Considering the ballooning of active users on all 3 of those instances (Beehaw, lemmy.world, and sh.itjust.works) I could definitely believe that. Paring down the amount of potentially rule breaking posts until you have the tools necessary makes sense.

The idea that every instance can just cut ties for whatever reason, though, is scary for the reasons you have outlined.

Beehaw.org just defererated lemmy.world and shitjustworks, because of the open signups policy (as opposed to the waist high fence of a few paragraphs explaining why you're not an asshole)

That's a major mistake imo

My understanding, from reading some other comments, is that beehaw.org is heavily aimed at providing a safe space for the LGBT crowd, and weights restrictions on speech and access to content in favor of achieving that.

That is very much not what I am looking for. However, I am also very sure that it is what some people do want.

So I think that it's hard to say that it's a mistake. I mean, if that's what people on the instance want and what the people running the instance are trying to provide, how can one say that it's wrong?

Defedding should be a last resort.

Beehaw.org just defererated lemmy.world and shitjustworks, because of the open signups policy (as opposed to the waist high fence of a few paragraphs explaining why you're not an asshole)

To my understanding, Beehaw defederated with those instances due to an ongoing harrasment campaign by a few of their users. The open signups were not the reason they defederated, but rather a factor enabling the harrasment; the user(s) would be banned from beehaw, and inmediately make an additional account to continue harrassment. Beehaw has been pretty open about the how and why of defederation, and to my knowledge theyve been working with the admins of shitworks to get to a place where refederating is possible.

Well at least the drama is making for good content.

From my understanding the defederation is that banned trolls could theoretically just bring 10 more accounts into existence which would be a major pain in the ass to moderate.

This issue will be resolved in due time I think when modding tools improve. It's an extreme step and Beehaw mods have said they would go to those extremes as necessary to keep the community the way they wanted. I don't think Beehaw admins and users have any beef with Lemmyworld or shitjustworks on the whole.

Just curious, is there a way for a user to block an entire domain like in Mastodon? I can go into an individual community and block that community but I don't see a way to block an entire domain.

Oh bother ... I have a Beehaw login that I can't use unless I'm on a PC browser, and now I can't interact with it from shitjust either?