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AOC defeats moderate challenger in Democratic primary (www.usatoday.com)

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[-] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 135 points 5 months ago

Despite his efforts, Dolan’s message did not gain enough traction. His campaign, funded largely by personal loans, couldn’t match Ocasio-Cortez’s $8 million war chest.

You people are living in an oligarchy and "who has more money for this season" being a perfectly normal news bit outside of popular sports is completely insane.

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 46 points 5 months ago

You realize that "you people" includes you, correct?

Or are the mega rich treated just like everyone else where you are?

If so, where is this magical land of fairness?

[-] Kaput@lemmy.world 56 points 5 months ago

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/party-financing lots of countries limit how much can be given to politicians

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

Eh... There are a variety of end-runs around this mechanism.

Hiring politicians on as lobbyists or allowing friends and family to sit on private run boards and trusts can create a back channel for money to flow into a politician's pockets. Public money can be funneled into private profits for which the supporting politicians are also stockholders. And politicians can receive discounted/free services from friendly private sector constituencies. FOX News, the classic example, is a multi-billion dollar network dedicated to running Republican-friendly media. But when corporate lobbyists and political strategists can be found everywhere from the boards of NPR/PBS to the guest chairs of MSNBC to the editorial rooms of the WaPo/WSJ/NYT, there's really no safe spaces left.

You can mitigate the direct "bag of cash for favors" effect that, say, John Boehner cutting tobacco lobbyist checks on the floor of the House has produced in the past. But you can't keep public sector administrators from finding ways to receive kickbacks via private sector channels unless you completely divorce these institutions.

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

Eh… There are a variety of end-runs around this mechanism.

There are any number of hypothetical end-runs around just about anything you can think of, that doesn't make protections, mechanisms, controls, or safeties useless.

In the US, political bribery is nearly 100% legal. I'd rather have some hoops for corrupt officials to jump through. We don't even make them break a sweat in this country.

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[-] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 51 points 5 months ago

I do not life in the US. However because of US hegemony and my country being a suck up to the US i have to follow what is going on there.

But in case there is any doubt. The country i live in, which is Germany is corrupt and authoritarian with a complicit public and private media as well as the "center" parties moving further to the right and helping fascism rise faster than ever before. The "liberal" middle class are to a large extent just self delusional racists and the country will become a fascist hellhole in the next ten years.

So if you have the opportunity, please help spread awareness about all the shit happening here too.

[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Yes, that's right. The last European elections at the latest showed impressively that those dull people who are unable to see through the PR campaigns of the powerful are not an exclusive US problem. It is of course absolutely right that we in Europe rely far too much on the Americans and should set stricter limits to their capitalism, which in my opinion is completely out of joint. But I fear that we have already gotten too far into this quagmire. This is precisely why it is all the more important to raise awareness of this and to name those who are actually responsible for falling living standards and growing inequality - the US-type opportunists, the hangers-on and especially the blatant fascists in the ranks of our politicians and our societies. I am not at all convinced that the reasonable people have a shot, but I sure will continue to make an effort.

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[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago

That's because billionaires have purchased SCOTUS. The outcome of a single court case has allowed unlimited money from whomever into election campaigns.

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 66 points 5 months ago

It amazes me that primaries are held this late in the year. It’s only four months or so until the election.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 89 points 5 months ago

Only in America. Other counties campaign for a few weeks. The US turns it into a 12 month fund raising and media spectacular, with primaries at the halfway point.

[-] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 5 months ago

Why make election season much longer than needed?

Printing ballots can be done quite quickly.

And is 6 months of campaigning really better than 2 months?

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Ffffuuuuuuucccckkk no its not better. It's just that our system predated most parliaments, and as such the founding fathers made some stupid choices that made it utterly impossible to amend basic quailty of life changes for our democracy.

[-] TheKingBombOmbKiller@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago

What did the founding fathers decide that made it impossible to have short election seasons in the US?

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The process to amend the constitution. It's all but impossible given modern politics, and that's largely been true for 50 years and counting.

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[-] hashferret@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

It's better for the politicians wallets.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

The Dem presidential primary still has like two more months.

Biden and his pick for DNC chair set the date, they could have made it whenever.

They choose after the deadline to get on all 50 ballots for some reason.

[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

It's pretty recent that campaigning started so early. Even Obama didn't campaign as early as trump and Biden do.

[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Has Trump ever stopped campaigning since 2016? I feel like this has gone on for decades.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Dems? Primary?

ROFL.

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[-] Veraxus@lemmy.world 57 points 5 months ago

Moderate? Marty Dolan is a full-blown conservative. Why do we keep pretending like being a Democrat means you can't be a conservative? The DNCs entire top brass is conservative. It's a conservative party by objective international standards.

[-] SoleInvictus 26 points 5 months ago

Because the Overton window in the United States has many people viewing fascists as friends and anyone further left than center right as "extreme left wing socialist communist Nazi terrorists".

[-] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 months ago

I hate it when ignorant people conflate Nazis and communists. I have argued with so many dumb people who think that the Nazis were a Socialist party, when the exact opposite is true. These people probably think that the DPRK is democratic, too.

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[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 56 points 5 months ago

In the rest of the world. A 66 year old investment banker would be considered right wing

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 50 points 5 months ago

Suck it AIPAC.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago

The ones laughing at Bowman’s loss? Yeah, I’m sure they’re crying so hard tonight

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 46 points 5 months ago

Good. Anyone described as a "moderate" in the US is actually a conservative at best. Anyone described as a "conservative" is actually a fascist at best.

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[-] robocall@lemmy.world 46 points 5 months ago

Good for her. Sucks that Jamaal Bowman lost though.

[-] retrospectology@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago

Yeah, having to listen to Steve Innskeep gleefully break the news of Bowman's defeat on NPR this morning was not a great way to start the day.

And of course NPR frames it as confirmation that voters support genocide, not that AIPAC uses GOP money to sabotage the Democratic party. Their reporting is getting worse and worse by the day.

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[-] dudinax@programming.dev 41 points 5 months ago

What does "moderate" mean, owned by some corp?

[-] 0110010001100010@lemmy.world 74 points 5 months ago

Yeah:

"We need to freeze the border and send that message to the world to stop the death and casualties along the way," says Dolan. "The Republicans are right on this issue. But that doesn’t make me a Republican. No party is right on every issue."

On his campaign website, Dolan who has served as managing director at banks including Lehman Brothers, Morgan Stanley and JPMorgan Chase, puts the city’s current plight thus: “Bail reform a disaster, the National Guard in the subway, toothpaste locked up in drugstores but criminals running free.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/06/17/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-primary-challenger-marty-dolan/74074419007/

[-] audiomodder 61 points 5 months ago

It’s hilarious to me that 40 years ago this person would have been solidly Republican. Now he’s a “moderate Democrat”. This term now means “conservative that doesn’t like Trump saying the quiet part out loud”

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[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 10 points 5 months ago

“Bail reform a disaster, the National Guard in the subway, toothpaste locked up in drugstores but criminals running free.

Umm doesn't the State have a bigger hand in that instead of the Federal government?

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 40 points 5 months ago

Moderate: Conservative Democrat/I Can't Believe It's Not A Republican

[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 39 points 5 months ago

I hope people stop believing the bullshit that’s trying to get progressives to not vote or to vote for 3rd parties. Progressives absolutely can win democrat tickets, and that’s exactly why there’s so much propaganda trying to convince people otherwise. Progressives have a lot of political power right now, and the whole system can swing left if people don’t just give up. Progressives giving up is the only play the right has.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

Progressives should absolutely vote in primaries and lower contests. They should also make it very clear there are limits to their graciousness when our president supports blatant war crimes and genocide.

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[-] Arbiter@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago

To be fair, frogs are pretty dope.

[-] Arbiter@lemmy.world 45 points 5 months ago

This is the wrong post, but my point stands.

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[-] xantoxis@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

I mean, no shit. Didn't she win her first election with 89% of the vote or something

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[-] uberdroog@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

Personal loans. Ouch.

[-] retrospectology@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Hopefully it's a painful enough lesson he never comes near politics again.

[-] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago

He's swimming in the bank pools, he'll be fine.

The loans are just so he can write that off.

[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago

It's a very progressive district, that's how she got elected in the first place. This is not a surprise.
I bet my politics fit closer to the other guy, but I'd still vote for AOC between the two because she has a national influence and disproportionate power in the Caucus. If you're actually voting to influence Congress towards helping your district in particular, AOC might get that done even if it's secondary to her national political project. Some moderate guy in a safe D seat would absolutely never get anything for your district.

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[-] Fades@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

fuck moderates, we're fighting for our goddamn lives and the life of American democracy. We got no room for both-siders.

[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 7 points 5 months ago

Now at a greater scale!

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

"No MODERATE CHALLENGERS want to work anymore!!!"

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