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The Republican-led U.S. House of Representatives passed a bill on Thursday that would force President Joe Biden to send weapons to Israel, seeking to rebuke the Democrat for delaying bomb shipments as he urges Israel to do more to protect civilians during its war with Hamas.

The Israel Security Assistance Support Act was approved 224 to 187, largely along party lines. Sixteen Democrats joined most Republicans in voting yes, and three Republicans joined most Democrats in opposing the measure.

The act is not expected to become law, but its passage underscored the deep U.S. election-year divide over Israel policy as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government seeks to wipe out militants who attacked Israel on Oct. 7, killing around 1,200 people and seizing 253 hostages, according to Israeli tallies.

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[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 150 points 4 months ago

Everyone. THE REPUBLICANS sent the weapons.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 76 points 4 months ago

The Republicans voted to pass a bill in the House to send the weapons. It will almost certainly fail in the Senate but, even if it doesn't, Biden would have to sign it into law. I don't see Biden signing a bill to override himself, and there is no way that Congress would get the required 2/3 in each chamber to override. This bill was just a performative stunt.

[-] xantoxis@lemmy.world 63 points 4 months ago

Sure but the point is, after months of pithy quips about how the Democrats will support genocide of the Palestinians and the Republicans will support genocide of everyone including the Palestinians;

here we see that even on this specific issue, the parties have differences. So make the right choice.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Did I say otherwise?

This isn't wrong, but this argument gets made over and over and over again in every political thread on almost every topic, whether or not it fits the flow of the conversation. People don't want to be preached at and it's going to be self defeating.

EDIT: Tone deaf establishment apologists are going to lose again and still not understand why. "Republicans suck more" is far less compelling than some people think, no matter how true. Winning elections and winning arguments are different things.

[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It says exactly that in the 3rd paragraph of the summary.

The act is not expected to become law ...

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 7 points 4 months ago

Um, OK, but I was responding to a comment that said something different.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago

A stunt to show the Republicans are sending weapons to Israel.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 50 points 4 months ago

Watch as all the totally-not-parroting-russian-propaganda crowd remain eerily silent.

[-] BossDj@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago

They must wait until they are fed the proper response.

It was just locker room talk

[-] eskimofry@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago

Right, all the anti-genocide protestors will disperse because a U.S bill that hamstrings any attempt to stop the genocide MAY fail.. and hence critics will remain eerily silent.

[-] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago

Exactly my first thought.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 10 points 4 months ago

Feels like they should be adding critical contextual information like this to the titles. I know the headline writers hate the idea of people just reading the headline to get informed (because clicks are needed for ads), but people do get informed that way. It's a very different story if "Congress rebukes Biden on Israel" than "Republicans rebuke Biden on Israel", and I expect "US House" translates into an average reader's mind much more as "Congress" than "Republicans".

[-] Clent@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Which is why we need tests before voting. The average American is too ill informed to be trusted with voting.

The Republicans have brought in all sorts of other hurdlers for voting but oddly nothing that would test the intelligence of their electorates.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I can't imagine how such tests would be fair and not abused. It might make for a more effective electorate if there weren't so many poorly informed votes in the mix, but making that happen is almost certain to lead to abuse and very unlikely to produce the desired result.

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[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 months ago

And that's exactly why we can't vote for genocide Joe. Don't forget to sit out this election or vote third party - that's the only way to have a meaningful impact and improve the lives of Palestinians! /s

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

I almost at that onion ☺️

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 4 months ago

After Biden sent more. This is just them sending back the big bombs

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

While that may be so… it’s an important election.

[-] Xanis@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Better say that louder. I can't hear you over the general white noise all the blindly and mindlessly pointing fingers make.

[-] ChihuahuaOfDoom@lemmy.world 56 points 4 months ago

America and bombing brown people, name a more iconic duo.

[-] robocall@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

name a more iconic duo.

oh! I know! America and school shootings!

[-] ImADifferentBird 10 points 4 months ago

America and crushing medical debt

[-] TheCannonball@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

The American Dream and other unattainable goals?

[-] ImADifferentBird 5 points 4 months ago

America and police murdering people

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[-] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 56 points 4 months ago

So we can definitely say Republicans support genocide harder than Democrats, right? Like this whole debate is over, right? Right?

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 34 points 4 months ago

Was that ever a serious debate?

Yes. Republicans are worse.

Doesn’t make Biden “good”. This isn’t a hallmark whodunnit.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I was told once on here that Trump would be better for the Palestinians because if Trump was in office the Democrats would fight it harder. Which is the dumbest logic I've ever heard in my life.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

The serious debate is defeating trump. I think that’s the only, actual, debate.

Constantly shitting on Biden and discouraging participation is not helpful. And it is constant.

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[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 12 points 4 months ago

So then there is no excuse for Biden to take a harder stance against Israel since it's a partisan issue right?

[-] arin@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Why only 2 choices? We need a proper left party and not corporate fake Democrat

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 9 points 4 months ago

I feel like we've had this particular conversation several times lately in the public sphere. There can only be two parties in the presidential race. You'll have to co-opt one of them from within to effect change.

[-] eskimofry@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago

40 is definitely higher than 10 but if its a failing score then you still deserve criticism. the debate was never about republicans. It's asinine to claim that criticism of Biden and democrats is automatically "Both sides are the same" material

[-] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago

Mmmmm... Supporting genocide is sort of like being pregnant... You either are or you aren't. There's no acceptable level of supporting genocide. Or apartheid... Or pretty much anything Israel has done to the Palestinian people in the last 75ish years

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[-] SeaJ@lemm.ee 33 points 4 months ago

I'm sure all IG posts will now totally have comments about how Republicans want to force support of genocide. /s

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Something something complicit in genocide something don't vote something suka blyat.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

Biden should invoke Leahy law yesterday to force a stop of arms to Israel. Republicans are powerless to force him to do this. You are projecting.

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[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

I am confused I thought Biden sent an arms package to Israel two days ago

https://apnews.com/article/us-israel-arms-gaza-ebe971ca8878ff430ce6458c04151585

Biden administration is moving ahead on new $1 billion arms sale to Israel, congressional aides say

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

Nothing happens immediately. The news presents these deals as if they're getting shipped tomorrow, when in actuality they take years to fulfill. The media loves to click-bait about Biden and Israel.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Now I am even more confused. Does this mean that weapons shipments to Israel are currently still blocked by Biden?

[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Here you go Biden. You're big chance to show that you don't use the Republicans to pass stuff you don't want to take credit for. Do your best to block it... If you want to.

[-] unmagical@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 months ago

[The bill] would force President Joe Biden to send weapons to Israel.

The act is not expected to become law.

Now why would it not become the law? The house passed it so does it maybe have to go through the Senate first and then ... I think there's another step. Something like the target of the bill would have to sign it into law himself thereby compelling himself to resume sending weapons (which he never stopped doing, btw). Yeah, I can see no reason why this performative bull shit won't become law.

[-] robocall@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

this is a performance. It's easy to vote in favor of stuff that has no chance of advancing in the senate.

[-] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

Good. This will make it harder for Kremlin propaganda to use this as a way to attack Biden and get their asset into the White House again.

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[-] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Incidentally, Greene was one of the 3 who voted no.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 7 points 4 months ago

The enemy of my enemy is funny, not my friend.

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