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[-] weariedfae@lemmy.world 190 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Man I'm a progressive and even I can tell this is propaganda.

Also, missed a bunch of presidents? Bush 1 after Reagan. Lyndon B, Nixon, Ford and CARTER between Kennedy and Reagan.

I obviously agree with the overall message (that "both sides" is and always has been bullshit) but c'mon man.

Edit: like, you could put the actual campaign goals and summarized impacts and then it would be a real infographic. Like "passed tax cuts for top _% of income earning Americans" "repealed gun laws". It's still cherry picking and biased but that's what moves something like this out of the realm of propaganda and into I dunno...something more like biased news? Bias isn't inherently bad, obviously when you're trying to have an argument you have a side and an agenda.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 79 points 5 months ago

Edit: like, you could put the actual campaign goals and summarized impacts and then it would be a real infographic.

The point of a meme is to be short and punchy, not academic.

[-] Hux@lemmy.ml 18 points 5 months ago

This like watching the trope of “Republicans are evil, and Democrats can’t govern” play out in realtime.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 177 points 5 months ago

Anyone that says Biden isn't doing anything is blind.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 92 points 5 months ago

Or most likely not reading truthful news.

[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 31 points 5 months ago

Tbf, society used to have "news", and many people are slow to realize that while the media still call themselves by that name, they no longer live up to that truth. i.e., not everyone who is blind is purposefully ignoring the truth - there is a whole spectrum of people in the middle.

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[-] aibler@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago

Mu'min wants to know if this is a pro-Biden or anti-Biden comment.

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[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 27 points 5 months ago

But... he's old! And not perfect!!! So obviously, we should stay home and see how much better our lives will be under Trump when it's his last (legal) term and literally what keeps him out of prison... Duh.

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[-] fiend_unpleasant@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago

He sure is sucking zionist dick really hard. Some would say too hard.

[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

"saving democracy" tho; lol. if he wanted to do that, why the fuck is he running again?

edit: that feels more like 'dangling democracy over a trumpian abyss to jack off his own geriatric ego'.

[-] nexguy@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

He's certainly not destroying it.

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 138 points 5 months ago

Okay, I get what you're saying, but to call the Affordable Care Act "Universal Healthcare" is like calling one of those meal boxes from Taco Bell an all-you-can-eat buffet

[-] UNY0N@lemmy.world 62 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

While I do agree with what you say, the post is about goals, not achievements. It's an important distinction, and Obama did have universal healthcare as a goal.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jun/11/obama-administration-universal-healthcare-reform

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[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 47 points 5 months ago

Obama also campaigned that he would codify abortion into law, got elected, and then said it was not a priority. Then didn't do anything to protect reproductive rights.

This image is complete propaganda.

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[-] Vespair@lemm.ee 24 points 5 months ago

If he is to be believed (and that is certainly up to debate), Obama's goal was universal healthcare, and his compromise was the ACA.

Personally I think as soon as the public option was gutted this compromise failed to meet what was sought out by the goal, so I don't think it should be counted at all as achieving that goal, but I don't think it's inherently disingenuous to make the claim that Obama wanted universal healthcare... I guess he just didn't want it enough.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 18 points 5 months ago

People hate finding out the ACA is the Republican plan based on Romney's healthcare system from MA.

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[-] ObsidianZed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 86 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

To be fair, I don't believe Trump's goal is more money for rich people.

I believe it's more money for himself but to do that he works towards more money for rich people because those rich people will in turn support and fund him further.

He's too damn selfish to actually consider people, rich or not.

[-] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 5 months ago

Not even money, I have no doubt he just wants to be president to get out of all the rape and fraud accusations running against him.

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[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 65 points 5 months ago

A huge part of Clinton's deficit reduction was eviscerating welfare with the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act. He also made a lot of money for rich people by repealing the Glass-Steagall Act, which directly let to the 2008 financial collapse. Also, Obamacare is not Universal Healthcare; Obama would have needed to keep the Public Option for it to be considered universal coverage. He also made a lot of money for rich people through TARP.

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[-] hark@lemmy.world 62 points 5 months ago

Democrats aren't for more money for rich people? News to me. Nice job leaving off things like welfare reform, the crime bill, and the repeal of glass-steagall (which led to the 2008 global financial crisis) from under clinton. You left off obama continuing the policy of bailouts for the rich after the 2008 global financial crisis, his support for the surveillance state (and going after Snowden after claiming to protect whistleblowers), and bombing so many more countries (like Libya, Somalia, Yemen, and Syria). Of course there's the glaring absence of supporting genocide under biden, but I think you get the picture.

Both sides aren't the same in all things, but they are definitely the same in supporting the rich first and foremost. Democrats are better than republicans, but you're not making a strong point by pretending democrats only do good things.

[-] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 62 points 5 months ago

I would like to see a more accurate one that actually just listed passed and proposed legislation for each one instead of just circlejerk fodder.

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 53 points 5 months ago

Saving Democracy

Biden was responsible for removing the democratically elected prime minister in Pakistan because he refused to follow the geopolitical whims of the USA. His entire party is dead in the water with several MNAs assasinated, hundreds tortured, and thousands of supporters still in jail without trial or bail.

So respectfully, fuck off with this shitty propaganda meme.

[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 23 points 5 months ago

“But but but vote blue no matter who!”

Give me a fuckin’ break.

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[-] tearsintherain@leminal.space 46 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Clinton is one of the worst. The party went, can't beat 'em, might as well join em.

Clinton essentially fulfilled some of the great Republican dreams of deregulation. See Glass-Stegall how he joined hands with Republicans. Which you can then fast forward to the banking and financial crisis that hit the world and screwed economies and brought austerity programs worldwide.

Dare ya to read up on all the congressional stock trading from not just Repubs but very much Dems as well.

The party went fully corporate with Clinton.

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[-] LazyPhilosopher@lemmy.world 44 points 5 months ago

So glad Obama gave us universal healthcare.... Oh wait.

We all know this is bullshit right? Neither the Republicans or the Democrats give a shit about anything else then making rich people more money. I'm sorry to break it to you but the Democrats aren't your friends. I know they pretended to be but they're not. They are just as much your enemy as the Republicans. 😞

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 40 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Clinton repealled the Glass-Steagal act, which led to the 2008 crash, Obama's unconditional bailouts of financial institutions and ultra-low interest rates and subsequent hyperfinancialization of the Economy, the current house prices bubbles, an explosion in inequality, and an even further collapse of social mobility in the US.

To say that he doubled-down on Reagan's work is an underestimation.

Sure, it's all a bit obscure for those who weren't in Finance during the period around 2008, but that doesn't make it any less so.

(And lets not forget his wife's later "got paid million dollar for a speech to a room full of financiers" that helped her loose to none other than Donald Trump)

The idea that almost all those Democrats in that list didn't do "More money for the rich" is hilarious.

Also as an European in a country with a National Health Service, celebrating Obama's version of "Universal Healthcare" is "you're fucking kidding me"-level insulting.

That stuff is some Narnia-level Eyes Hard Closed level of tribalist self-delusion.

[-] peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 39 points 5 months ago

I would not say both sides are the same, but this a bullshit oversimplification. The dems are not some ray of sunshine who have only made this country better.

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[-] archomrade@midwest.social 38 points 5 months ago

OK who let the DNC get a lemmy.world account

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 38 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Nixon: More money for rich people,

Carter: Peace in The Middle East

Edit: Carter: Climate Change. He installed solar panels at the White House that Reagan destroyed.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago

Carter: Peace in The Middle East

Also, getting started fighting climate change back when we should've started. (See also: solar panels on the White House etc.)

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[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 38 points 5 months ago

Don't forget deregulation, those fuckers love removing protections for the environment and workers.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

If you only compare democrats to republicans, every Democrat is going to look amazing.

Like comparing a large McDonalds combo meal to a literal shit sandwich.

I'll always take some Mickey D's in that choice. Even though it's probably been a decade since I've actually ate that trash.

But if those are my only two options for every meal, I know on a long enough timeline the McDonald's is going to kill me. Eventually I got to start asking why my only options are something bad for me and something that's drastically worse for me.

I just want a fucking salad for once. Like, let's just give it a chance, see how it works out.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Excellent. Changing the electoral system and changing the FPTP ranking is going to take a lot of work, but that’s the way to go!

Until then though, we got the McDonalds (now with 30% less plastic!), or the shit sandwich which wasn’t refrigerated properly. So. Make your choice. Oh and If we could maybe not kill the planet, like, real soon that’d be swell.

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[-] Dearth@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago

Don't forget Bush the First, the former director of the CIA and his mad desire to run shadow wars to disrupt democracy in other countries in the name of American corporate interests

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[-] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago

You left 'exterminating Palestinians' off that last one.

[-] bazus1@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

I think it's only listed if it's different than the opposing party.

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[-] PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 5 months ago

Don't forget Obama's work on a 2015 stimulus for the international Doctors without Borders program that allowed the construction of a brand new hospital in Kunduz, saving countless lives!

For more information, Google "2015 Kunduz Doctors without Borders"

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[-] DaBabyAteMaDingo@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

I'm convinced that Lemmy is riddled with Russian bot farms trying to stir up shit. I'm mostly democrat and believe Biden is a net good over Trump, but I won't delude myself into thinking they care about me personally. How-fucking-ever, Trump is a literal threat to our democracy and if we can't rally against him by rallying for Biden, we're absolutely fucked. And you morons are just giving into this extreme lefty rhetoric because of people like Hasan? That mother fucker is a millionaire and lives like one too.

Lemmy is a worse echo chamber than reddit. I was proud when I came here during the API-bullshit and supported Sync for Lemmy but I can't do this shit any more. I'm actually embarrassed to come here and read all this anti Biden shit while you guys complain about roe v wade being overturned, billionaires (which trump made the biggest tax cuts in history to), Israel (which is somehow Biden's fault? 🤣).

I believe this post, OP. Whether you're trolling or not. Everyone else can go fuck yourselves. Go ahead and ban this one too, mods. Since we're not living in an echo chamber.

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[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Bush: More money for rich People, killing a bunch of brown people, try to be be even more of a global disaster as dear old dad (was close but too incompetent to do it)

Obama: More money for rich people, killing a bunch of brown people

Trump: More money for rich people, killing a bunch of brown people, destroying democracy, treason, try to be even more of a global disaster as Reagan (was close but too incompetent to do it, there's always next time)

Biden: More money for rich people, killing a bunch of brown people

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[-] inlandempire@jlai.lu 17 points 5 months ago

Facebook leftist grandpa type meme

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

There isn't a leftist on earth praising Biden for "saving democracy"

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