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[-] weariedfae@lemmy.world 190 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Man I'm a progressive and even I can tell this is propaganda.

Also, missed a bunch of presidents? Bush 1 after Reagan. Lyndon B, Nixon, Ford and CARTER between Kennedy and Reagan.

I obviously agree with the overall message (that "both sides" is and always has been bullshit) but c'mon man.

Edit: like, you could put the actual campaign goals and summarized impacts and then it would be a real infographic. Like "passed tax cuts for top _% of income earning Americans" "repealed gun laws". It's still cherry picking and biased but that's what moves something like this out of the realm of propaganda and into I dunno...something more like biased news? Bias isn't inherently bad, obviously when you're trying to have an argument you have a side and an agenda.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 79 points 5 months ago

Edit: like, you could put the actual campaign goals and summarized impacts and then it would be a real infographic.

The point of a meme is to be short and punchy, not academic.

[-] Hux@lemmy.ml 18 points 5 months ago

This like watching the trope of “Republicans are evil, and Democrats can’t govern” play out in realtime.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

We're here for memes, not to RaRa your campaign.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

Yes, yes, I'm well aware of the position of your kind. "Only memes that agree with me or empower fascism are allowed."

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

No, not really. Just when it's blatant propaganda.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 7 points 5 months ago

It's a fucking meme! Just go full boomer already and say "things I don't like should be banned".

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

No because that's not the position no matter how much you want to straw man it.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

This a meme, not an infographic.

[-] weariedfae@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

You're right. It's not an infographic. It's also not a meme.

It's a political cartoon. Definition from Brittanica: " a drawing (often including caricature) made for the purpose of conveying editorial commentary on politics, politicians, and current events. "

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

It's just a joke.

Where have I heard that before?

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Man I'm a progressive and even I can tell this is propaganda.

Aw man, you saw right through it!

I was told you progressives were smart but you caught this propaganda in no time! And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for you meddling progressives!!

[-] weariedfae@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Ok how else would you word that I'm on the political "side" of the meme and still call it out for being kinda shitty by misrepresenting the 'other side' in a way that undermines the credibility of the message?

I did not expect this to blow up and made an offhand criticism that used a cliche literary device before heading out for the day. I apologize for getting tripped up when information is misleading or inaccurate, it's a condition, and obviously I am long overdue at the gulag

Y'all take stuff way too seriously on the Internet.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

It obviously has a point of view. Just like any text, image, or other media.

It's fun because it's pretty much true. If you want to make sure to include Johnson (hey - can we do the whole JFK thing here? Cause you know Johnson was . . . I guess that wouldn't fit in this particular meme) or Carter (yeah a meme is probably not the place to re-litigate his administration, though that's a good idea) one could, and apparently that would work towards being less "propaganda" like, but it wouldn't be very brief.

If you're saying the overall message of the meme is wrong, well we'll disagree there. But if you're saying it's just not properly balanced; I mean - Yeah. Obviously. Y'know what else isn't properly balanced, though - actual news articles from the New York Times and Washington Post, every single day. "Biden is old, Biden fares poorly in some poll we found on the floor. Trump does outlandish bullshit again, people love it." C'mon. We can take a look at the point of view of those articles and that would be propaganda in a more denotative sense.

So calling out a pro-Biden meme for being propaganda is, well, not wrong, but . . . kinda . . irrelevant? Hey, you wanna explore each of the listed presidential administrations and go through their accomplishments to see how true the meme is? Man, that's a long thread but we can do that - and when we finish, guess what - it'll be pretty close to this. But sure. Why not, Let's go.

I guess we can, what, use JFK as a "gimme" and just allow that a defining accomplishment was to create the space program as we know it. Should we add anything in there about the Cuban Missle Crisis or - ? What even would that be? "Faced down communist aggression"? "Skillfully negotiated aggressive military . . something"? Yeah ok let's just leave it at the moon thing. I mean, he only got three years, right.

Reagan. Why'd we jump to Reagan? We missed Nixon! Oh man, where are the Nixon memes amirite. Well, Regan - who as we know served two terms - really laid the foundation for the absolute mind-meltingly disastrous republican party politics that we know and love today. What was the defining element of his two administrations? (Should we split the two or just - I guess the format is for one line each so, no - ok) Well, he's really most famous for taking money from federal programs and giving it to the military contractors or back to other people who have money, i.e. the rich. It's actually pretty apt. But we can debate that one, everyone loves a good Reagan hullabaloo. We could also do the October Surprise, or Iran Contra, or invading El Salvador or a bunch of other shady shit, but let's go on an "affects Americans daily lives' bend. "Gave money to the rich" is correct.

Bush I - oops we skipped him, hm. Why's that I wonder. (Oh, hey maybe it's two term presidents only?) Eh, Let's just put Iraq I and then I guess we'll have to figure out why we went to war for oil. Oh - or we could just put "blood for oil" and hope that the economic implication is obvious enough. Anyway, moving on.

Clinton - well, we could talk about the whole healthcare reform thing that was a major component of the first term. Or in how he pulled the rug out from under Newt "contract with America" Gingrich by declaring big government "over" and adding a ton more cops. That's . . y'know . . true but . . . not as . . pithy? as we're going for here. His balancing the budget and actually leaving office with a surplus is, frankly, astonishing in retrospect though. It's absolutely no small feat and no one thought it was even possible since Reagan just said it's fine to blow all the money and hope future generations figure it out. Well, he figured it out. So that's not nothing. That doesn't seem like propaganda, that seems about right actually.

Okay the meme is getting really long at this point but I think you see the direction I'm going here. Is it misinterpreting "the other side"? Only in the sense that a meme is a single point of view and a deep discussion of the differences would be more balanced and nuanced but also take a long time and wouldnt ultimately be that far off from what we have.

So if you really feel like this meme is some horrible brainwashing propaganda of "the liberal left" or whatever? I dunno what to tell ya. Yeah? I guess? And it's nice?

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 14 points 5 months ago

What were William Harrison's goals for office? 🤔

[-] weariedfae@lemmy.world 41 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You know I'm not sure if you're joking but I'm genuinely curious now.

Edit: I looked it up and most of what I could find was, "Let's finish killing all the Indians". 😬

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

lmao I'm glad that bitch died

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 10 points 5 months ago

Lmao I was just joking because he died only a month after taking office, but I did not expect that!

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago

IIRC he was famous for being the guy that ended Tecumseh's war, so yeah, he didn't have the fondest opinions of indigenous rights

[-] protist@mander.xyz 5 points 5 months ago

William Harrison was a Whig, which was definitely the more progressive party at the time. His vice president, John Tyler, abandoned the Whig party and aligned himself more with Andrew Jackson and the Democrats, which were the conservative party at the time. It should be noted that the Whigs were much less destructive toward Indians than the Jackson and the Democrats, and Tyler was also strongly anti-Indian and anti-Mexican.

Here were the political positions of the Whig party:

The party was hostile toward manifest destiny, territorial expansion into Texas and the Southwest, and the Mexican–American War. It disliked strong presidential power as exhibited by Jackson and Polk, and preferred congressional dominance in lawmaking. Members advocated modernization, meritocracy, the rule of law, protections against majority tyranny, and vigilance against executive tyranny. They favored an economic program known as the American System, which called for a protective tariff, federal subsidies for the construction of infrastructure, and support for a national bank. The party was active in both the Northern United States and the Southern United States and did not take a strong stance on slavery, but Northern Whigs tended to be less supportive than their Democratic counterparts.

[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago

I think he was just really happy to be included.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 8 points 5 months ago

It's... a political meme. I wonder what sub this is...

[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago

This feels more like boomer humour than a meme.

[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

I would argue that you know it's propaganda because you are progressive.

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

What? I think a lot of non-progressives would call this propaganda.

[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

True but it probably helps not being of the party the propaganda was meant for. It would be an additional level of security.

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago
[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It was made to make fun of progressives, by people who don't want Biden to be critiqued.

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Really? I interpreted it as more making fun of republicans and patting themselves on the back

[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Look at the title of the post. It's to make fun of anyone who critques both parties.

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

True, I guess moderates then also

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 points 5 months ago

political memes are propaganda. all of them. always have been always will.

there are no exceptions, only examples which oppress and exploit more or less.

something this sublemmy needs to get into its head.

this post was submitted on 18 Apr 2024
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