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Headline is somewhat deceiving. Still very very worrying. The push currently is to define trans advocacy as domestic terrorism, rather then to just outright define all trans people as terrorists. The way they are defining "gender ideology based extremism" is still extremely vague so I could definitely see them gradually extending the (or at least their treatment of the) definition of this.
Within the FBI:
Under the plan being discussed, the FBI would treat transgender suspects as a subset of the Bureau’s new threat category, “Nihilistic Violent Extremists” (NVEs). (From Ken Klippensteins report)
And with the heritage foundation report:
The document takes pains to insist that the proposal would not label “all transgender individuals” as domestic terrorists. Instead, it claims it would only apply when someone is “motivated by an ideology that encourages, promotes, or condones violence” while “inciting unlawful violent action or threat.” But those qualifiers are deliberately elastic. Given the earlier definition of TIVE, even the most basic act of advocacy—like pointing out that anti-trans laws threaten transgender people’s existence—could be construed as “incitement.” The memo itself makes the danger plain: in its list of “typical characteristics” of supposed extremism, it cites a trans flag with the words “protect their right to exist.” (From erin in the morning)
Absolutely vile that they can label "protecting rights" as terroristic. Where are all the "don't tread on me"s at??
"Don't tread on me" for these people only ever meant "We tread on you." It was never a statement of some noble value.
Trans-MAGA
Oh good. So as long as I don’t advocate for myself and just roll over, I’m not an extremist? The differentiation here is… tenuous.
Oh yeah of course. Its terrible, I dont disagree. I posted my comments just to ensure there wasn't any misunderstandings.
Russia did that with anything LGBTQ. Simply waving the pride flag is enough to be arrested over.
How many trans people would not support trans rights? It's easy for them to claim any trans person is an advocate of trans rights and therefore a terrorist. There's no safety margin here.
“Terrorist group” is about conduct and purpose, not identity. Under 18 U.S.C. §2331, domestic terrorism = criminal acts dangerous to life + intent to intimidate or coerce a population or government. Being trans doesn’t satisfy any of that. Name the act. If one person commits a crime, that’s a criminal; it doesn’t auto-convert millions into “nihilistic violent extremists” (that’s kinda branding, not analysis). Where’s the act, the group, the stated intent to coerce? Also worth noting: trans folks are more often targets than offenders—see the Williams Institute victimization stats, 2021. Rebranding advocacy as “extremism” is just a backdoor speech ban, and it’ll boomerang onto any protest they don’t like. We shouldn’t let that slide.
From the article: The group defines “TIVE” as “the belief that violence is justified against people who oppose [the trans community],” as well as the belief that opposing trans rights “itself constitutes a form of violence towards people who identify as [trans or gender nonconforming]... or poses an imminent threat to such persons’ emotional, psychological, or physical safety, including through self-harm or suicide.”
With republicans, every accusation is projection. The last part speaks volumes, as it seems they are doing it on purpose. They now want to silence those speaking up about it.