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Just overall a very funny comment in regards to Israel.
I greatly enjoy that Biden is this way.
When he was campaigning, he was in an interview about Turkey, and he said more or less if Erdoğan gets out of line we might have to get rid of him. Then he realized what he said wasn't a "say out loud" type of statement, and tried to walk it back by saying well, I don't mean with a coup or anything, just, you know, we'll have to see what we can do. Which only made it 10 times worse. The US press didn't really notice but it was a shit storm in the central-Asian press for like 6 months.
But the thing is, every US president has thoughts and plans like that. I'm not saying it or the neoliberal empire are good things. I'm just saying that Biden has those thoughts and then sometimes actually says them out loud which I actually prefer over the "I'm so self-aware that every statement is preanalyzed and often kind of indirect" Washington standard.
Biden has those thoughts and then sometimes actually says them out loud which I actually prefer over the "I'm so self-aware that every statement is preanalyzed and often kind of indirect" Washington standard.
Which is something that MAGAs say they like about Trump, but they're always trying to cover for his most outrageous nonsense by saying "no, that's not what he meant." And in actuality, what he really does is say what he thinks will get the most applause at the time; and sometimes he overshoots.
Whereas with this, it's like...reasonable stuff that has been caught slipping out of Biden's mouth, just reasonable stuff that most politicians won't say.
Though I have to say, I really wish some reasonable stuff about a cease-fire and stopping arms shipments would've slipped out a few months ago.
Which is something that MAGAs say they like about Trump
Yeah. With Trump it's a little different. I actually get it kind of. He's authentic to himself in a way most politicians are not. He's just a big fat mean asshole who likes shouting and cheeseburgers and raw-dogging porn stars. He doesn't like paying taxes and he doesn't like smart people who try to get one over on him. For the most part, what you see is what you get.
I think a lot of rural America has an absolute hatred for Washington, because Washington for the most part hasn't given a fuck what happened to them for the last 50 years. And I think they see Trump, and say well, he's an asshole, but he's not one of those weird plastic people who've been stealing from my pension fund and making sure my health insurance doesn't work, and he seems to hate them too and not afraid to get violent with them. Hey, that sounds pretty fuckin' good from where I'm standing. He's got my vote.
I'm not saying their assessment of the impact of Trump on their pension fund is accurate. But their read of him as a person, I think, is actually the root cause of why they like him and I think that part is true.
Though I have to say, I really wish some reasonable stuff about a cease-fire and stopping arms shipments would've slipped out a few months ago.
Yes. 😢
their read of him as a person, I think, is actually the root cause of why they like him
Yeah. They want a strong man to hurt all of the people that the alt-right media has told them are the cause of their problems. Only...
he's not one of those weird plastic people who've been stealing from my pension fund and making sure my health insurance doesn't work,
...is the exact opposite of true (he's plastic, but angry plastic instead of bland plastic). Which brings me to...
He's authentic to himself
I don't think he is, though. I don't even think he knows what that would look like. I don't think he likes giving speeches, he just likes applause. I don't think he wants to be president (and I don't think he did in 2016 or 2020 either), he's just terrified of what'll happen if he's not in the limelight anymore. I don't think he likes Coca-Cola or Big Macs, I think he just does whatever will make the person/people in front of him say how great he is. I don't think he has a self outside of what other people tell him it is.
Incidentally, that's why he has a quarter million indictments.
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You may get this then:
https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about
After all these years, I've never read anything that explains Trump supports so perfectly.
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To your last point, compare and contrast with Obama, whose speech patterns were chock-full of long pauses where you could just tell he was doing higher-order political math on the next phrase. To an extent that's because that's what Obama had to do or else the Hannities and Carlsons of the world would find some minute quibble they could build out into an elaborate conspiracy with which to fan the right-wing outrage machines for another week... but for all the other problems I have with the man I do appreciate the no-fucks-given mindset Biden's brought to the job. The right wing media hate machine has become fully decoupled from reality at this point; there's no reason to soft-shoe around things that might set them off anymore.
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I get down voted here for saying that sometimes Joe Biden's mouth gets out in front of his brain. But it's so, so true.
What i find funny about that is..isn't that the case for all "normal" people? Happens quite often to me and a few of my friends and acquaintances. I like Biden because he actually could be just a normal, run of the mill grandpa. He's had his fair share of loss, he knows stuff and has a lot of general life expectancy...
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An aide to Biden then appeared to inform the president that his microphone was still on.
“I’m on a hot mic here,” Biden replied. “Good. That’s good.”
If he's still selling them weapons for genocide and still running interference for them at the UN, he is still supporting genocide.
Biden needs to stop supporting genocide. Biden needs to have a come to Jesus moment.
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Ah yes, like how you said we were supposed to have the ceasefire on Monday after you knew the uncommitted vote was coming.
Fuck you.
He does a lot of talking. He also structures arms deals so that they don't meet the minimum requirement for oversight from Congress in order to supply arms to a country engaged in an obvious genocide. I guess he's a pretty good multitasker!
Let me guess: If Biden does actually reverse several generations' worth of mass-murder-enabling Israel policy, and brings about a positive change to the absolute worst thing that the US does and has been doing for the last 50 years, it'll suddenly be something else that you're incredibly upset at him about which is your reason you can't possibly support him.
No? Maybe not. How do you feel about his actions in regard to climate change?
Lemme guess, Biden could go over to Netty’s for a little Palestinian-Baby bbq, and you’d still support Biden?
It’s fair to criticize Biden for supporting and enabling genocide. It’s also fair to point out that. Biden has been a senator for most of those fifty years.
It’s also fair to point out that corporate subsidies aren’t going to solve climate change or bring resiliency to what change is now unavoidable.
It’s also fair to recognize that Trump is an even greater asshole.
But it’s not fair to point to Trump and say it’s unfair to criticize the sitting president for their actions.
Pretty sure none of that has anything to do with what I actually said.
I guess it is easier to argue with someone if you can just decide that they're saying "it's unfair to criticize the president" or similar bollocks and then explain why that is wrong. 🙂
(BTW - If you scroll around in this thread, you will find me criticizing Biden)
Pretty sure drawing contrast to your apparently unquestionable support for Biden- specifically surrounding genocide- has everything to do with your criticism that we’ll never be happy.
And you might be right. There’s very little Biden can do or say to come back from his support for genocide. And as for climate change… he’s as hypocritical with that as he is calling for a ceasefire while making sure Israel stays fully stocked on bombs.
(For example, he broke his promise to block new drilling on federal lands, has released more oil from the strategic reserve than all other presidents combined and established policies which has increased oil production.)
Nah man he's right, Biden fixed the climate and saved Palestine! It's us, the simple minded voter, who are wrong.
Pretty sure none of that has anything to do with what I actually said.
I should have just said this when you first commented on my original comment lmao. I didn't realize how easy it was, thanks.
It's always amazing how dedicated they are at "offering criticism" completely out of context, with little to no evidence that completely ignores anything that doesn't paint Democrats in a bad light while simultaneously ignoring any criticism of the GOP. Solutions and context are enemies for some reason...
It’s amazing you don’t understand what “context” is.
The original commenter is trying to gaslight. He made a comment about how “we” wouldn’t be happy if Biden reversed course.
The irony here is there is absolutely nothing Biden can do to bring all the dead babies the bombs he’s already supplied to Israel back.
Biden has gone way the fuck out of his way to facilitate and support genocide. And the OC expects us to embrace Biden for stopping that support? For doing the barest minimum?
I guess I can give Biden a golf clap, if that makes him finally do the right thing. And you’ll note he still hasn’t done the right thing.
My guy, we're going to have an ice free Arctic by 2025. There is no more time for business as usual neoliberalism bullshit. You are deluding yourselves if you think trump is going to bring about the end of the world when the end of the world is literally currently happening lol.
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Well the fact that he allowed record oil extraction under his watch says that he doesn't take it as seriously as he should.
I don't support Biden for a lot of reasons. One of which being I'm Canadian. Trump is worse than Biden. Does that allow me to pass your purity test? Do you have anything at all of substance to add to my comment or just fucking argumentative bullshit?
Well the fact that he allowed record oil extraction under his watch says that he doesn't take it as seriously as he should.
Got it. So there are two talking points which are commonly brought up to say Biden did a bad job on the climate; this is one of them. This, in contrast, is an actual summary of what he's done; among other things, it claims there's a Democratic theory that the big climate bill puts us on track for a 40% reduction in emissions by 2030. I don't know if that's accurate, but those are the terms in which I think it's sensible to analyze his actions on climate: What is the expected impact? As opposed to, what's some individual fact that is cherry-picked for maximum argumentation impact, and then repeated consistently without context (in this case, used to argue that he doesn't take it seriously when he made massive climate legislation into a priority early on in his presidency.)
Does that allow me to pass your purity test? Do you have anything at all of substance to add to my comment or just fucking argumentative bullshit?
Sorry, what? My comment wasn't real polite, but it's not like there wasn't a productive point to it.
I suspect your original comment of being made in bad faith. Your response to my question about the climate, which does not include detailed analysis of what's going on, but does fit lock-and-key into one of the two active talking points about "why Biden is bad for the climate," furthers that suspicion.
You're obviously not obligated to talk with me further about it. I was just curious. You're free to say whatever you want.
So you literally have nothing to add about Biden and Israel. Shocking.
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Yeah but he was caught in this totally unscripted “hot mic” event looking like he’s going to do something. Thats all he needs to do for the sycophants to swoon over him.
Fuck the 30,000 dead, its Dark Brandon time baby. He’s totally gonna one day do something to stop what he is already doing for Israel!
It will be funny watching these guys backpedal next week when fucking nothing changes.
Do you hear them now say shit about the cease fire that was totally going to happen by tomorrow or what ever it was he was saying for weeks?
As soon as the dates over, they move on. There will be no backpedalling or giving a shit they were wrong, it's MAGA level cultism going on. They're always right and infallible, any criticism is Russian shills trying to sow division, &tc.
It's ramped up so much on Lemmy the past few weeks, that I feel we must've attracted the attention of some astro-turfing. So yay we're in the big league now I guess?
Yeah it's fucking wild to see. Like yeah I get it, the lesser of two evils yadda yadda. You don't deserve to be a country anymore when you've reached the point when the lesser of two evils is outpacing Conservatives on oil production and tripping over itself to aid in a blatent genocide. Fuck off with that shit.
It really looks like he's about to start taking concrete actions, you're perfectly correct in criticizing how long this took but in the past few days he's started the floating harbor plan and is probably going to come down hard on Netanyahu. Skepticism is fair, but everything is currently moving in the right direction.
Maybe if there wasn't an 80 year old Zionist in the Whitehouse things wouldnt take a fortnight to ponder.
Yup, we'd sure as hell have boots on the ground delivering aide if it was Bernie in office, but it seems like Biden is reading the writing on the wall.
Yeah it's too bad it took him 30000 dead brown people to start to maybe consider maybe asking Netanyahu to tone it down a little. So progressive
Edit: You know what, for the sake of clarity, it wasn't the dead brown people that made him reconsider, it was the fact that it might cost him some votes in Michigan.
Well let's be fair - he doesn't give a shit about Michigan - he doesn't want to be remembered as a one term president.
I think the Genocide Joe nickname is gonna stick around.
Any day now he might actually do something to stop doing what he's doing.
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"hot mic"
Yeah good luck with that, I'm not certain Bibi is all that interested in what Jesus would have to say on the matter.
Supply Side Jesus.
Biden is going to extol the virtues of exploitation over eradication.
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I award him no credit for this. Same as we find out Republicans who privately despite Trump but publicly defend him.
oh, whoops, i dropped my monster statement that i use for my come-to-jesus dong
On purpose accident?
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