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[-] neptune@dmv.social 162 points 8 months ago

If Congress must act to re instate a candidate but almost must act to bar a candidate, why was the amendment written the way it was? Pretty stupid they want Congress to make the determination.

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 90 points 8 months ago

The dissenting opinion puts that into the spotlight. It really is dumb that they're saying even federal courts/administrative bodies can't make that determination.

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[-] ChowJeeBai@lemmy.world 57 points 8 months ago

Unanimous. Something we are missing?

[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 66 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They were probably all afraid that banning Trump on the ballot would tear so violently at the fabric of the country that it could end in a civil war with armed members of Trump's base roaming the streets creating chaos.

This ruling is very unsurprising to me. I'd been very surprised if they had gone the other way.

The US is a very unhealthy country.

Edit: Spelling

[-] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 35 points 8 months ago

Lol, no. They don't give a shit about the country or its citizens.

They knew their asses would be targeted by his cult if they did the right thing. Honesty, Trump probably fits the bill for a RICO case. Maybe the IRS can take him down like they did Capone.

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[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

I just hope that by tossing the Republicans this bone, that they will end up not ruling that the president has absolute immunity in the next case.

Losing this one is not a big deal, because he only would have been removed from states that he was almost certain to lose anyway. Republicans love their insurrectionists, after all.

I think with a ruling like this where the intent was so crystal clear that it couldn't have possibly been misinterpreted by anybody yet the ruling was entirely backwards, that now is a good time for a constitutional convention and a total rewrite of the constitution. If it's not clear, let's make it clear.

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[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 15 points 8 months ago

So they’ve traded almost-certain major civil unrest, and perhaps eventual civil war, as a direct result of their decision, for…

checks notes

…almost-certain major civil unrest, and perhaps eventual civil war, as an indirect result of their decision, and also get a fascist government.

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[-] dhork@lemmy.world 51 points 8 months ago

Unaminous, but the 3 Liberal judges wrote their own opinion saying while they agreed with the ruling, they feel it should have been narrower, and that the ruling cuts off some legitimate avenues for punishing insurrectionists.

[-] oxjox@lemmy.ml 15 points 8 months ago

states cannot invoke a post-Civil War constitutional provision to keep presidential candidates from appearing on ballots. That power resides with Congress, the court wrote in an unsigned opinion.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 39 points 8 months ago

States aren't "invoking" anything.
Trump does not qualify as per the standards in the Constitution.

Same as any 34 year old.

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 17 points 8 months ago

Stupid states following the words in the Constitution!

Shuffling this to congress means nobody will ever be excluded for insurrection, because obstructing any laws that would enforce the clause are easier to kill than pass.

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[-] ma11en@lemmy.world 57 points 8 months ago

Nice new yacht for a certain member of the court?

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 38 points 8 months ago

He prefers motorcoaches.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 51 points 8 months ago

When do we decide the social contract has been broken?

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[-] fcSolar@lemmy.world 49 points 8 months ago

Oh look another illegal power grab by the supreme dipshits. 14th amendment section 3 states only Congress may remove an insurrectionist's inability to hold office, not SCOTUS.

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[-] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 46 points 8 months ago

SCOTUS rules the Constitution unconstitutional.

[-] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 43 points 8 months ago

Trump is never held accountable for his own actions and things will only get worse.

[-] theluckyone@lemmy.world 39 points 8 months ago

“I would expect that a goodly number of states will say whoever the Democratic candidate is, you’re off the ballot, and others, for the Republican candidate, you’re off the ballot. It will come down to just a handful of states that are going to decide the presidential election. That’s a pretty daunting consequence,” the chief justice, John Roberts, said during oral argument. (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/04/trump-scotus-colorado-ruling)

Damn inconsistent of them, being concerned about consequences after the current court's previous rulings.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 43 points 8 months ago

"If we do the right thing now, Republicans will act in bad faith to do the wrong thing later" is such a bullshit cop-out but it happens all the fucking time.

[-] thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

Democracy is already broken, the popular vote winner doesn't get to be president if they are Democrat, unless the margin is very large.

[-] Infynis@midwest.social 11 points 8 months ago

It comes down to just a handful of states anyway

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 38 points 8 months ago

These.Mother.Fuckers...

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 37 points 8 months ago

amazing how quickly those states rights arguments evaporate when its not to the republicans benefits, huh

[-] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 36 points 8 months ago

Where them "states' rights" advocates at?

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[-] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This should be a surprise to nobody; the courts have been largely bending over backwards to accommodate Trump.

The supreme court just ruled that either the 14th amendment requires an act of Congress, despite no such requirement listed in the constitution.

Then you have Cannon, who has gone out of her way to rule in Trump's favor, up to and including the implication that Trump actually is above the law, and has shown she is hellbent on continuing to do so.

The supreme Court is also throwing Trump another bone by delaying his dc trial by 2 months, essentially giving Trump the win by running out the clock instead of ruling on presidential immunity.

The stormy Daniels case is of little legal and even less political consequence, as the case is weak already and Trump is not considered at significant risk.

The GA case is likely to get derailed because Willis couldn't keep her personal and professional life separate, and her handling of the affair puts her credibility in doubt.

At least we have the civil judgement. At least, until Trump finds another judge willing to throw that out too.

[-] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The supreme court just ruled that either the 14th amendment somehow doesn’t apply to presidents, trump didn’t engage in insurrection, and/or Trump is just simply above the law.

That's quite literally not what they argued, even if you try to read it that way. You really should read the opinion before you tell people what it says.

edit: LOL! OP deleted the stupid argument and replaced it with one that sounds less stupid. My quote was lifted verbatim, and the stealth edit speaks volumes.

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[-] Atyno@dmv.social 33 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They won't, but Colorado should still keep him off the ballot. The ruling was clearly made in fear of chaos instead of what was correct, so they deserve chaos irregardless.

Or at least make a show about it, like all those states did when Texas was told to let the fed agents cut the razor wire.

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[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago

The supreme court is anything but. They are traitors to the USA.

[-] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)
[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 12 points 8 months ago

It was unanimous. Against constitutional precedent from the people who wrote the Amendment, btw.

So much for Originalism.

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[-] xploit@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Next obvious steps for Colorado should be;
Do nothing
Point finger at Texas

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

The Roberts court is illegitimate.

More proof.

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[-] MasterNerd@lemm.ee 15 points 8 months ago

As much as I hate Trump, I think it sets a dangerous precedent to allow a state to remove a candidate from the ballot pre-conviction. I hope he does get convicted and thus removed from the ballot however

[-] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 37 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Unfortunately the ruling here means the only method through which he can be disqualified is by Congress. A conviction, even of insurrection, will do nothing to prevent someone taking office.

Edit: actually I'm slightly wrong. If he were charged with insurrection under 18 U.S.C. § 2383 and convicted he would be disqualified because the statute specifies it. He hasn't been charged with that, however.

[-] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

All signs point to President Trump at the end of 2024. It was nice knowing ya.

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[-] vimdiesel@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

this thing was doomed from the start and the unanimous vote of the Supreme Court shows that. Y'all are overlooking the fact that this keeps red states from taking Biden off the ballot too.

[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 12 points 8 months ago

Biden didn't commit insurrection.

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[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

I told everyone for months that sec 5 clearly says ONLY Congress can remove him. I wish I had bookmarked everyone that old me I was a bot or Russian that doesn't know what they are talking about.

[-] theluckyone@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

Please point out the word "only" in Section 5 to me. I must be blind: "The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

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[-] Lifecoach5000@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

I guess that must’ve been on your other account then?

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[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Just the latest reminder that the 3rd Clause of the 14th Amendment isn't worth the paper it's written on.

Edit: Important from the Court's three liberal justices:

"The American people have the power to vote for and elect candidates for national office, and that is a great and glorious thing. The men who drafted and ratified the Fourteenth Amendment, however, had witnessed an 'insurrection [and] rebellion' to defend slavery. They wanted to ensure that those who had participated in that insurrection, and in possible future insurrections, could not return to prominent roles. Today, the majority goes beyond the necessities of this case to limit how Section 3 can bar an oathbreaking insurrectionist from becoming President. Although we agree that Colorado cannot enforce Section 3, we protest the majority's effort to use this case to define the limits of federal enforcement of that provision. Because we would decide only the issue before us, we concur only in the judgment."

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