That's right, fight to the last Ukrainian. It's a great investment.

I don't know why people keep repeating this given that it's obviously not happening.

If this war was about having NATO on their doorstep, why is it an invasion of a non-NATO country twenty years after the first neighbours of Russia joined NATO? It's never seriously discussed because it's either a lie or unfathomably stupid, and whichever of those two it is doesn't much matter.

Just for a second, imagine you're a neutral country in eastern Europe. Russia has been fucking with Georgia and Moldova since the fall of the Soviet Union, and now it invades Ukraine for the second time within a decade. Russia has never touched a NATO country despite bordering several of them for literally decades. And then Russia acts all shocked when you say you want into NATO

Then turning Ukraine into Russian territory is a bit counter productive no? That would literally bring NATO to Russias doorstep.

But NATO already is on their doorstep. Norway, Estonia, Poland etc. Even USA is only a few mils away across the Bering Strait.

This is not about Ukraine joining NATO, that's a convenience.

Basically they don’t want NATO right on their doorstep.

NATO is not the anti-Russia club. They're a defensive pact. Why would you be concerned about your neighbours agreeing to defend each other? Like a neighbourhood watch, perhaps. Maybe you'd be upset if you're planning to do the thing they're defending against. Which is all the more reason for those neighbours to band together.

I think you're missing a paragraph that tells how the border between Russia and NATO increased twofold since (and as the result of) the invasion.

"Hey it's all about NATO. We always wanted less NATO at our doorsteps, and you can see we tried our best to achieve this. That backfired, yes, but we ask you once again to... Ask all those countries nicely to withdraw from NATO. Having NATO at our borders is not healthy for our people, you see... With all those bio laboratories... And parent№1+parent№2 policy that you force on everyone..."

I don't want people like you in my comments but no one acknowledges that. So weird.

You know who has total power to end this war? Putin. Just get the fuck out of Ukraine and it’s over.

There’s really nothing to negotiate.

or because all putin has to do is stop invading ukraine. he doesn't get to invade and then negotiate to keep part of the place he invaded

I think that if Russia got the fuck out of Ukraine, we'd happily let the war end.

Bad take. Why negotiate with an aggressor who is literally invading and trying to absorb a neighbor. You would be rewarding that behavior and Russia gets to stop their unpopular war at the same time.

I mean, Putin won't either, the negotiations are just for gaslighting and propaganda. Basically it's about not negotiating with terrorists, America has plenty other wars going on and even without Ukraine intends to increase military spending. They don't need it, but it's not up to them if it ends.

It looks like dementia is Biden's bigger concern at the moment.

That's the reason they're rejecting it. From the article:

“Barring a Ukrainian demand signal” for peace talks, “there’s unlikely to be a push from Washington,” he said.

Are you implying that white masters exist and implying that a European country can't decide what's better for it without consulting with white masters at the same time? Can I say that you are brainwashed by black masters?