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[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 42 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You can have desires for different things and you can even be attracted to the same gender but creating a new gender is silly. You can be male or female and dress and act how you want for the most part. Gender doesn't need to define you and can be black and white just like your hair color. You are you, not your gender.

Anyway my option isn't meant to offend. If I've upset you I am sorry but I've just seen a lot of the more wild LGBQ+ be a bit to flamboyant in "gender".

[-] zazo@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Exactly? As in, I identify as gender fluid not because my gender defines me, but precisely because the binary "male" and "female" genders don't directly apply to my identity, so a new term that better aligns with how I feel is useful.

So if it's "silly" to "create" a "new" gender, what do you suggest as an alternative?

[-] el_abuelo@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

Hope this isn't an offensive question to ask - but what do you mean by "how I feel"?

Because, by example, I am a man. I know this because I have the reproductive organs of a man. I am "more manly" than some men, and "less manly" than some other men. But I am a man, regardless of how I feel, dress, act or look.

In my current understanding of gender, being gender fluid would require the hot swapping of your reproductive organs.

So - genuinely (if you want to...) - can you help me understand what you mean by what you said? Perhaps I can become less ignorant without exposing my ignorance to the real world.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

You are referring to sex, not gender.

[-] n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 10 months ago

100% agree but can never get my point across this nicely then I get banned for a few days

[-] DriftinGrifter 5 points 10 months ago

Seems like a you issue tbh we should all be a bit Kinder don't you agree?

[-] el_abuelo@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

Why do you say that? It's your kind of response that makes me scared to expose my ignorance through fear of being mischaracterised as hateful. So I just live in ignorance, keep my head down and don't learn about other people's perspectives. I'm pretty confident I don't offend anyone...but mostly because I avoid any conversation that involves anything even remotely in this sphear just to ensure I don't accidentally cause offence.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 10 months ago

From my experience people who struggle to find there sexual identity tend to get offended easily when you ask basic questions. I honestly don't know much so my questions are out of arrogance.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

Gender is as real as favorite colors.

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[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 18 points 10 months ago

I mean, species are an idea humans made up. See dogs versus dingos.

But it turns out words can mean things?

The problem with idiot bigots is that they're just making mouth noises. The same jackholes who insist men are men and that's that will also have ten thousand fears about random activities and affiliations that make them "less of a man." Pick a lane, fuckwad.

On the other hand - English has only two sets of gendered pronouns. The third choice is not gendered. You don't get to substitute a bad Scrabble hand. Nobody gets their own pronouns... because that's not what pronouns do. Those are just nouns. If it has to be written on a nametag, write your damn name. The parts of speech referring to "yonder rando" are deliberately limited, for cases where you don't know anything about someone beyond looking at them, and don't really need to.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yonder Rando is my next D&D character

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[-] Draconic_NEO@sopuli.xyz 17 points 10 months ago

Yep and I never understood the idea, it just seemed weird to me. People always said to me that you can just feel your gender but I don't feel a gender or know what it would feel like. That's how I found out about being Agender, well it was after I found out about being AroAce and I wondered if the A- prefix could apply to gender, and it does.

[-] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

I like to think of myself as a pretty open and accepting person but some of the stuff on that site is fucking stupid. Like I totally "get" and respect the whole trans, NB, Agender stuff but I full stop think the anthro and the catgirl and catboy gender stuff is really fucking stupid and it's setting back the real gender movement for trans and NB and agendered people.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago

Remember kids: you can't transition inherited traits. Gender is not an inherited trait–the reason you're a human isn't because society has arbitrarily put you into the category of human, it's because your parents are humans. Gender isn't inherited. Nonbinary folks can have binary kids. Human folks cannot have cat kids.

[-] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I have a friend who's father is in his 50s or 60s and he is like a full on otherkin wolf dude and it's creepy and funny as hell.

[-] SnuggleSnail@ani.social 13 points 10 months ago

I don’t get the gender conversation. Before you discuss, define what gender means. After you defined it, it should be clear how many types there are or can exist.

If you can’t decide on one definition, then make up several. „Genders A“, „Genders B“, …

It should be very simple.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Sex is biology, gender is sociology.

It is the spectrum between feminine and masculine, where we as a society decide which traits fall where. This changes per culture.

[-] MamLaLiq@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Also how much you will earn. I was paid a quarter less than my male colleagues (ICT).

80s joke

[-] SnuggleSnail@ani.social 4 points 10 months ago

If it changes by culture, then each culture will have their own definition. So if we ask a Texan Redneck and a Swedish Librarian, we will get two very different answers. But they both might be right in their culture.

Culture does not have borders. You and your neighbour have different cultures. So I believe this is nothing you can argue about, unless you specify a definition first. It does not have to be a global definition, it does not have to apply to all people, it doesn’t even have to make sense.

The definition will make it possible to discuss the topic. When the definition is precise, it will be a very short discussion. The interesting part is coming up with that definition and figuring out what aspects you want to include and what you deem not relevant.

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[-] LilDestructiveSheep@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Gender describes your sex. Or at least that's what people want it to be.

There are various reasons why people decide to use no gender at all or what ever. In the end it's a creation of humans to describe how people should act accordingly.

People who say there are only two genders are very narrow minded. Let them explain intersexual people. Checkmate.

There is a specific group that speaks about gender all the time: The people who believe there should be 2 genders. If that was nature's law, have a look at animals. Good luck.

[-] dmention7@lemm.ee 19 points 10 months ago

Human brains are literal pattern-recognition and classifying machines. It's what they have evolved for millions of years to do. We're hard wired to observe nature, detect patterns, and classify things based on those patterns to help focus on new info and not be overwhelmed by the world.

Gender is just a shorthand that we've developed for classifying people into groups, based on key commonalities about how most of us tend to look and behave.

It's like the names we give to colors. We can all name a handful of main colors off the top of our head, and we've even named a few as "primary" colors because of how they interact together. But someone would have to be an absolute fucking moron to insist that primary colors are the only "real" colors, just because the idea of primary colors has some basis in color theory.

[-] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You're running together gender and sex and then saying gender isn't real. The reality is more nuanced.

1 ) You're born with your sex (biologically determined), 2) you're also born with gender identity, and 3) the way you present your gender is called gender expression. So I can be born a biological male but have a woman gender identity and this would make me transgender. Now whether I choose to dress in masculine or feminine clothes this doesn't change my sex or gender identity.

[-] Rockyrikoko@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

This is where it gets murky for me and I don't understand it at all. If someone is born male but identifies as female, but doesn't adopt feminine social norms... Then how is that identifying as female?

[-] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I've wondered this myself, but I've never asked it before. I've also wondered if being trans is sexist in some way because you are dressing and acting how you think that gender should dress and act. Whatever the case may be, I still support trans rights as basic human rights.

[-] Carnelian@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

I've also wondered if being trans is sexist in some way because you are dressing and acting how you think that gender should dress and act

The funny thing is that cisgendered people are also dressing and acting how they think their gender should dress and act

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[-] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The idea is that gender identity is something you're born with but gender expression is a choice. Consider three examples:

  1. A trans person in a community that doesn't accept them may decide to dress and act in accordance with their biological sex even though (secretly, on the inside) they have a different gender identity.
  2. Tomboys. Born as a biological female, identifies as a woman, but she expresses her gender in a way that people usually think of as being masculine.
  3. Drag/Crossdressing. You can be born as a man, identify as a man, but enjoy wearing woman's clothes (as part of a performance on stage or just because you like it).

Just like sex and gender are separable, gender identity and gender expression are separable.

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[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago

Gender is a bimodal distribution between "dude" and "lady"

People are the gender that they are, and it's arrogant to think that we can tell someone "actually, your experience of your own body is incorrect." If someone says they're one gender, the other, or neither, who the hell am I to tell them they're wrong?

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 11 points 10 months ago
[-] hellfire103@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago
[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Right now it's mine. Y'all can wait patiently for your turn I promise not to hog it

^the^ ^gender^ ^officially^ ^belongs^ ^to^ ^the^ ^state;^ ^I^ ^have^ ^merely^ ^checked^ ^it^ ^out^ ^from^ ^the^ ^tool-share^ ^library^ ^and^ ^must^ ^return^ ^it^ ^in^ ^undamaged^ ^condition^

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago

Ehhh, I get the point, and I know it's exaggerated for the lolz, which it definitely got.

That being said, the fact that gender as a part of language is indeed a construct, the fact that humans have a strong history of making those constructs and organizing around them points to the underlying essence of what gender actually represents does have more of a non ideated origin.

And, generally, for the species as a whole, the binary works for both the body and the mind. The fact that there are a large number of people that don't fall close enough to the ends of the spectrum for it to actually be binary doesn't get rid of the fact that the percentage of people that don't fit the gender norms that are commonly associated with a given "sex" is damn low ratio.

That's why it's vital to protect that minority, mind you. That's why we have to take care of our own, and our own is every human being. I'm just saying that the issues around gender and sex are issues that stem from a pretty small minority. For the rest of the population, gender and sex aren't separate for the individual person.

[-] zazo@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Which is why so many people struggle to empathize. But I agree, just because most people can walk, doesn't mean we shouldn't build more access ramps.

[-] petrescatraian@libranet.de 8 points 10 months ago

@hellfire103 What if genders actually have us instead?

[-] hellfire103@sopuli.xyz 5 points 10 months ago

@petrescatraian@libranet.de Now we're asking the real questions

[-] arin@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago
[-] Ultragramps 11 points 10 months ago
[-] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No, you're born with gender. Literally the point of trans-gender is they were born with a gender that doesn't match their biological sex.

edit: Can't tell if you guys don't think trans people are a thing or what. Either way, reality isn't determined by up/down votes.

[-] soviettaters@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

So we're just posting propaganda now?

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