Yeah let's get some of them middle eastern value instead so we can start throwing queers off buildings!
Jewish conservatives are only a slight improvement on that front.
Same with American Conservatives.
The majority of Jews are at least partly Mizrahi, ie. of Middle-eastern or North African descent. IRC Jewish conservatives are more likely to be Mizrahi, where as Ashkenzi ('European') Jews are more likely to be left-wing.
Prime example: Ben Gvir, the far right minister of National Security, is of Iraqi/Kurdish descent. So if anything this whole thing is arguably Middle-Eastern Muslim values vs. Middle-Eastern Jewish values.
As you say, the Israeli far right aren't great on gay rights either. Certainly not ideological bed fellows of Dana International.
The radical Islamic revolutionaries were backed heavily by America during the Cold War as a check agaisnt Communism spreading to the Middle East. The current state of the Middle Eastern values is due to American Intervention in the region, because radical regious governments are better than Communist Governments in the eyes of Global Capital.
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Sorry, but from that thread alone it seems (to me) that you believe it because it's popular in our most unpopular place called Fediverse. I don't bring it because I'm against you, but to provoke you to dig deeper and grow more clever than me in the end.
I feel like jewish occupation wasn't an occupation in our sense of the word when the already existing population of jews began to grow long before WW1, or WW2. It only became a problem when they were harrassed and harrasing when they grew, when they legitimized their state thanks to other states and their shareholders, when they became an autonomous state to fuck their neighbors over and expand.
You said somewhere in the thread that they could chose any other land. Do native americans have this priviledge to choose the land of their long gone natives? They fight for it in court. Jew nationalist picked them by Tora, and because it was a fucking desert no one cared about that much.
And do you really connect to one side more than another? These dirty throatcutters and rapists may seem to suck just as much as these cleen-shawed indiscriminate bombers. Both kiss their kids returning home, because they killed worthless untermensch. One got close-and-personal and another just dropped there a bomb.
I don't see anything of them being a party to side with. None of them are lefties. Just deranged maneaters.
And I want to be proven wrong after you study the subject, as I'm too stupid to get it, it seems. If you debunk it line by line, you can post it on .ml. I'm drunk and depressed, but I won't delete or edit this comment. Go on, if you'd like to remind me of it. I'm, as a non american, has too much trouble to sympathize with Hamas. To me, they are not representatives of the Gaza and the Bank, and are banking on terrorizing whoever their funders from bigger states find an (economical or ideological) enemy in.
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You're acting like the Jewish orthodoxy is down with the gays.
free press, migration, women rights...geez, one could go on for hours and there is literally NOTHING in syria, iran, gaza and their fellow hate states that is worth fighting for.
How about their lives? Genocide is fine if (in your opinion) their culture sucks, that's the position?
i want to hate you, but there's a kernel of truth in there so i cannot
Next you're going to say something silly like "fascism, greed, ethnic nationalism, and religious extremism are the problems -- and they can happily thrive in every major culture on the planet."
Get out of here with that nonsense! You have to pick a side!
Everyone is capable of crimes, which is why when someone steals from me, I just kill the next person I see (and their entire ethnicity)
That's the spirit
Weird definition of colonialism.
Do you not understand the idea of Zionism or West Bank settlements?
Not relevant to my comment.
Colonies are not relevant to colonialism?
Lmao yes it fuxking is. Zionism is quite literally why Israel was established in Palestine instead of a ton of other proposed locations....
None of which I mentioned. My comment was on the definition of colonialism. You imagined what is in your head.
Don't be facetious. Zionism is colonialism, just with Jewish seasoning.
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Placing People not from your country that your country has been forcing to flee from country to country for generations onto land their many times removed ancestors fled, is not the normal definition of colonialism.
Would be closer to a deportation camp than a colonist camp.
Gotta be honest with you, arguments about colonization kind of ring hollow when they were literally the original tribes living there and then had their lands colonized away from them, but still form a cohesive ethnic group thousands of years later. Unless we've started to impose some arbitrary statute of limitations I'm not aware on colonialism so that we exclude Israel from being colonized and the Jews exiled? Denying Jews rights would be par for the course throughout history I guess. I condemn acts of genocide, but I'm not going to say Jews don't have some rights to the territory.
The same people saying Jews are colonizers will also talk about how literally any other ethnic group (especially Native Americans) should be given their land rights back. Their reasoning gives me a headache because it's cognitively dissonant, and I've had a few agree and realize the situation is much more complicated and nuanced after I pointed the double standard out to them.
If we want to criticize the Israel state and their military for their policies and actions, giddy up. I'm on board. If we want to have discussions about colonialism, sorry, but I'm getting off this ride because I can't justify moralizing over it
That's misleading.
Current Palestinians are native to the land, they are descendent of the "early Jew". They might change language or religion to be: Palestinians Jew, Arab Jew, Palestinians Christian, or Palestinians Muslims Arab.
You can read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Palestinians#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DIn_recent_years%2C_genetic_studies%2Care_related_to_each_other.?wprov=sfla1
In fact reading about European Jew Genetics say they are different:
"Genetic studies indicate that Ashkenazim have Levantine and European (mainly southern European) ancestry. They draw diverging conclusions about the degree and sources of European admixture; some focus on the European genetic origin in Ashkenazi maternal lineages, which contrasts with the predominantly Middle Eastern genetic origin in paternal lineages."
Further more they were not "exiled":
"Jews migrated to southern Europe from the Middle East voluntarily for opportunities in trade and commerce. Following Alexander the Great's conquests, Jews migrated to Greek settlements in the Eastern Mediterranean, spurred on by economic opportunities. Jewish economic migration to southern Europe is also believed to have occurred during the Roman period."
Even then, the reason why they are occupier is because they act that way, they commited multiple documented massacres, admited by their own soldiers, and refuse the right for people who fled war to comeback.
Reading about colonization of North America gave a lot of insight and the similarities are fucked up.
What even worse is, the literally desrroy people farms and homes and kick them out to live there, compare to North America where people might lived in new cities.
Here read about the village that become a resort and they build a car park on top of mass graves.
The Tantura massacre took place on the night of 22–23 May 1948 during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, when around 40-200 Palestinian Arab villagers from Tantura were massacred by the Alexandroni Brigade, which would shortly thereafter become part of the newly formed Israeli Defense Force. The massacre occurred following Tantura's surrender, a village of roughly 1,500 people in 1945 located near Haifa. The victims were buried in a mass grave, which today serves as a car park for the nearby Tel Dor beach.
Israel wasn’t just started by immigration from Europe. It was also the immigration of Jewish communities that had been expelled from Arab countries. These communities existed in the Middle East for centuries. They’re not white. Sadly, there are no significant Jewish populations left in Arabic countries.
This post erases all the indigenous, Middle Eastern Israelis.
Running away from Europe after being ethnically cleansed is “colonialism”? Running away from Arab countries after being ethnically cleaned is “colonialism”?
White European Jews started colonising in early 1900s, before the first world war.
israel doesnt treat all the jews same tho
it seems they are racist as other nations. espicially treatment of non white jews is very bad.
OK now do Islamic Colonialism.
Islamic Colonialism is bad too, if you make a post about it I'll happily upvote it.
Shhh! West bad, East good! Didn't you know? Don't disrupt the jerk!
Western values
pathetic worm but tell me about human rights in the shitlands between gaza and theran. gay marriage? free press? isreal could be the Borg and it'll still be a better society then the shit syria, iran and the other scumbags do. crazy how no muslim nation allows "tHeiR bRoTheRs aND sIstErS" in. Egypt be like: hell no those gazians cant come. so the pathetic worm knows what about values? nothing.
"pathetic worm" 🤓 that's not even a reddit level insult dude that's disney channel bad guy level
Whenever someone tries this argument I like reminding them how Israel was spiraling towards fascist dictatorship immediately prior to this war.
Some cynics would say still counts but everyone else short circuits in the funniest ways.
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