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Weird definition of colonialism.
Do you not understand the idea of Zionism or West Bank settlements?
Not relevant to my comment.
Colonies are not relevant to colonialism?
Lmao yes it fuxking is. Zionism is quite literally why Israel was established in Palestine instead of a ton of other proposed locations....
None of which I mentioned. My comment was on the definition of colonialism. You imagined what is in your head.
Don't be facetious. Zionism is colonialism, just with Jewish seasoning.
I'm curious with your use of facetious here. One of us is one of today's lucky 10,000.
You're trying to be funny in pretending to not understand Zionism is a form of colonialism. Your semantic trick in "I'm talking about colonialism" is just a joke to you. Or do you really not understand the subject? If you do, you're ignoring the serious issue in order to be smug.
I'm not the dude you were talking to. I see what you meant now, though.
Ah, sorry about that.
But it isn't just colonialism. And my comment is solely upon the definition of colonialism not fitting the circumstances here. More Penal Colony for all the folks being deported from Germany, France, Italy, and Russia especially. I'd suggest it was more like Australia colonization when the deported criminals, others, and inconvenient poors were not really in charge of the decision. So while yes, the set up is typical colonialism, it isn't really the Israelis that did it, they are just a bunch of People deported to this location that are using violence to claim their turf, but they were not really in the "go there and take land" meeting. So it is more the WWII Allies that did the colonization. The Jews simply went there to get away from the discrimination and violence in the allied countries plus those still alive from the "liberated" axis ones.
So I remain behind my original statement, weird definition of colonialism.
That's who people blame, yes. The British, particularly, are the ones who created Israel.
And I don't want you to get some wires crossed here, or to be performing some conflation, but no one other than anti-semites blames Jews in general for this, or even the innocent Jewish civilians living in Israel.
It is the Israeli state, specifically, the IDF, who are perpetuating the settler colonial vision now. Britain can be blamed for starting it, and the rest of the West can be blamed for helping support it, but it is still a program of moving people into an area while displacing the natives. Colonialism.
You again insist upon off topic. I made no such suggestion nor in fact any comment involving most of your post.
This is not off-topic. You said "funny definition for colonialism", implying Israel does not fit the definition of colonialism. This inevitably invites people to dispute this, and describe why indeed Israel is colonialist. Such responses are obviously on topic. Don't try and weasel out of this.
No such suggestion of.... what??? Why be so vague? You haven't responded to anything here.
Israel is a settler-colonial state. Zionism is the destruction of Palestine to create Israel in its place. Do you dispute that?
"implying" your assumptions, no matter how outlandish your imagination, are not my problem.
"what???" go read you post to see what I never remotely suggested.
Perhaps you should look into why you are so desperate for a fight.
No, the population of Israel does not meet the definition of settlers. They were not in control of the decision and in fact were uninvolved in the decision to create a refugee camp of "undesirables" so the allies could get the Jews out of their countries. That is my entire point. All your moral flailing isn't relevant as no statement was made about morality, regardless of how angry that makes you.
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Placing People not from your country that your country has been forcing to flee from country to country for generations onto land their many times removed ancestors fled, is not the normal definition of colonialism.
Would be closer to a deportation camp than a colonist camp.
Bruh, even in the Torah, Israel took Palestine by Military force, and have always been "occupiers" of land that wasn't originally theirs.
I don't think most of us consider that real history. They prolly did a bunch of murder, but no Egyptian slavery or Moses.