Ok that escalated. Starts with usual giving himself powers stuff but ends up with Federal "freedom cities" and flying cars.
Freedom to do what, murder LGBTQ+, lefties, people of color, and so forth? Because that's what I have to assume he means by "Freedom."
Given the libertarian influences, I'd assume they're supposed to be hyper-privatized free trade zones or special economic zones. That means low or no taxes, hardly any regulations, unhinged capitalism for everything.
It's the same bullshit libertarians have been praising for decades now and that's been tried and failed again and again. Remember that crypto cruise ship?
Probably freedom to just sit there empty. He wants to build them from scratch.
This sounds oddly familiar to other stories we've heard before.
Freedom to have every facet of your existence regulated to a homogenized set of conservative social values while also being totally free of any corporate oversight at all.
Not sure who wants to actually live there. Conservatives like two places: cities that exist because educated, largely liberal, people create jobs she money, or the country where they can leach off the cities to fund their infrastructure without any of the social costs that come with it.
Freedom cities sound like freedom fries.
I remember back after 9/11 and France called us on the bullshit… the state legislature voted to call them freedom fries in the capital cafeteria. (I was in highschool and lobbying for some environmental stuff. My former math teacher was our rep, so, we went to lunch and talked about things.)
In any case, those fries were not free, and they weren’t fried. (Orida frozen… stuffed in a microwave…)
Also? As a side note, the reason flying cars are not a thing is because nobody has found a way to make free energy yet- anything that flies has to expend energy to counter gravity- on airplanes, the wings push air down and it moves forward. In things that hover it’s either the rotors/fans/jet engines pushing air.
That expenditure just doesn’t exist on normal ground vehicles.
@FuglyDuck that's so funny, I was literally telling people the freedom fries thing was real earlier today! Someone younger than us had thought it was just a myth or satire.
(Over here - sorry not sure how to link it via your instance but you get the picture).
Yeah. I remember being incredulous when I saw the menu, me and the other highschool kid. The Rep explained that they actually passed a bill for that to be renamed; in this tone of voice dripping with sarcasm. I'm not sure if it happened federally or in other states, but it happened here- it only applied to the state capital cafeterias, though.
Wikipedia seems to think it happened in many places. I don't think people realize how bizarre some of that stuff was.
Yeah.
It was bizarre. The US lost it’s damn mind and went full on crazy. I remember asking what Iraq did and getting called a traitor. (They were mostly Saudis? And Saudis funded?)
I also remember bejng asked why I wasn’t joining up… like, dude, let me graduate highschool first…
Knowing now that Bin-Laden had been in Pakistan and we kinda knew almost where for a long time really makes the Iraq invasion so much worse.
I went and protested it in Copley Square the night before we invaded Iraq. I’m glad I did it, but it seemed to do fuck all. Possibly lead to Barack Obama’s presidency, which I’m happy about, but that in turn may have lead Trump’s as well.
I can’t help wonder how different the world would have been with Gore as president. Even social media may have been regulated differently with a moderately (or even slightly) tech savvy administration, though that’s probably a stretch.
Edit: Wft autocorrect; Batak Obamass? Really?
Wikipedia is correct. I was 34 on 9/11. There was so much of this crazy bs. The freedom fries thing was rampant. I lived a few blocks from a mosque, and sadly there were several threats, picketers and vandalism for several years.
just checked with one of my teenagers, confirmed they didn't know freedom fries. which makes sense of course, but i took it for granted they must have heard - it was such a bizarre thing to me at the time!
he only managed to expel several hundred thousand people per year, which is similar to the number of deportations during other recent administrations
Sadly, the Democrats have proven themselves to be just as fascistic when it comes to immigration. I got talked into voting Biden, but I'd be lying if I said that I don't question that decision every day.
One of the first things Biden did was to build more concentration camps, and one of the first things his supporters did was make excuses for that.
Edit: Oh yikes, the fascism defenders and concentration camp explainers have appeared in droves in my inbox 😬
Scroll down for exhibit A...
It's fair to criticize Biden for not being better than he is but it's fucking braindead, bordering on parody to suggest that Biden isn't better than Trump. Only complete morons or people that aren't paying attention would suggest such a thing, so I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you aren't aware of what Biden has gotten done in his first two years.
I can't stand that he's old, he fucked over rail workers, he's still supporting Israel in their genocidal quest, and he has increased funding for police, but it's hyperbolic af to say he's just as fascist as trump, the poster child of American fascism. Dude literally attempted to overthrow democracy to stay in power. "The boss is not going to leave under any circumstances. We are just going to stay in power."
The Biden administration ended up getting the rail workers the sick days they were fighting for. Maybe it would have happened sooner had a strike taken place, but to say so would be pure speculation. While seemingly heavy handed, his actions prevented a huge logistical nightmare and I'm the end got three results being asked for. I agree with pretty the rest of what you said, but saying he fucked over rail workers is a bit disingenuous.
That's a lie. They only got a small fraction of the sick time they demanded, and that's only for some workers not all. Now you use those exploited workers as a political tool.
just as fascistic when it comes to immigration
Lmao no. Did Obama or Biden put immigrants in cages, separating children from parents? Did the dems implement literal death traps in an attempt to kill more would be immigrants? I could go on and on.
They are nowhere near the same level. Take your reductive bullshit somewhere else
To your first question, yes. Obama did and there were protests and court rulings against it. A court order in 2015 limited child detention to 20 days and lead the Obama administration to change its ways. The Trump administration worked to undo that court order.
And, yes, cages and camps still operate today, within that 20 day limitation.
The Obama administration deported more people in its first term than the Trump administration did.
When it comes to deportations the Trump administration, as with so many things, talked big, but was unable to effectively enact its stated goals.
Yea buddy...That vote for Trump will certainly make things better compared to Biden.
What vote for Trump??
right wing democrats have to resort to lies, like that not voting for trump is voting for trump (?) and then blame us when they lose
Yea buddy.. That vote for one of two clowns who both support (and have been allowed to rise to the top by) the system that oppresses the rest of society will certainly make things better compared to realising the system is and always has been rigged and that your choice within it is nothing more than an illusion keeping you distracted while they continue to exploit you.. 🙄🙄
So you don't vote?
Pretty sure most people do know they're getting fucked by both sides, but voting is literally the only feasible way to make shit better instead of worse.
I’m in no way here to defend Biden, but I literally have heard nothing about concentration camps related to Biden. To what are you referring?
You've made some libs big mad lol
I half expected them to arrive, but part of me was hoping there wouldn't be so many here on Lemmy. At least they're showing their ass, and anyone should be able to see right through their excuses and lies.
Well, it's simple. The majority of the US is liberal too.
Trump is already disqualified from holding any office, let alone that of the President, under section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4591133
Page 17:
V. The persons who framed Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment regarded the President of the United States as an officer of the United States
The President of the United States was among the officials who took the oath to the Constitution that under Section Three triggered disqualification for participating in an insurrection. As noted in the previous section, the persons responsible for the Fourteenth Amendment sought to bar from present and future office all persons who betrayed their constitutional oath. “All of us understanding the meaning of the third section,” Senator John Sherman of Ohio stated, “those men who have once taken an oath of office to support the Constitution of the United States and have Fourteenth Amendment distinguished between the presidential oath mandated by Article II and violated that oath in spirit by taking up arms against the Government of the United States are to be deprived for a time at least of holding office.” No member of the Congress that drafted the the oath of office for other federal and state officers mandated by Article VI. Both were oaths to support the Constitution. Senator Garrett Davis of Kentucky saw no legal difference between the constitutional requirement that “all officers, both Federal and State, should take an oath to support” the Constitution and the constitutional requirement that the president “take an oath, to the best of his ability to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution.” Senator James Doolittle of Wisconsin declared that Congress need not pass laws requiring presidents to swear to support the Constitution because that “oath is specified in the constitution.”
In fact, the exact question of whether the disqualification from public office covered the Presidency came up at the time the Fourteenth Amendment was being drafted: https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/lsb/lsb10569
Specifically:
One scholar notes that the drafting history of Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment suggests that the office of the President is covered:
During the debate on Section Three, one Senator asked why ex-Confederates “may be elected President or Vice President of the United States, and why did you all omit to exclude them? I do not understand them to be excluded from the privilege of holding the two highest offices in the gift of the nation.” Another Senator replied that the lack of specific language on the Presidency and Vice- Presidency was irrelevant: “Let me call the Senator’s attention to the words ‘or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States.’”
I’ll highlight that last bit again:
Another Senator replied that the lack of specific language on the Presidency and Vice- Presidency was irrelevant: “Let me call the Senator’s attention to the words ‘or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States.’”
That is from this paper: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3748639
Some people seem to have a lot of trouble with figuring out what "or" means, in a list of things.
That doesn't EXPLICITLY say they can't be President. - a Judge in Colorado who probably would also rule the framers PROBABLY meant AR15s in the Second Amendment despite it not being explicitly said.
Yes, actually, that's exactly what it means. He broke his oath of office. He is not fit to hold any public office including that of the President, and he is barred from holding office by the Constitution of the United States. Period dot, and of story.
The courts, so far, don't agree. Unfortunately.
Incorrect. The judge in Colorado ruled he broke his oath of office and engaged in an insurrection, which is what makes the ruling so coo-coo bananapants.
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