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[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 49 points 10 months ago

This article essentially says "These protests are unlikely to change government agendas because governments currently don't support a ceasefire." it doesn't explain why this is the case.

That point is neither enlightening nor interesting.

[-] steventhedev@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

This article does a horrible job of explaining it.

Russia-adjacent countries have a strong incentive to support Israel if they want to purchase missile defense systems. Finland signed a deal earlier this week. Many countries around the world use Israeli-made/designed military systems, and they don't want to jeopardize their continued access to those systems.

The other factor is non-public intelligence - tack this sentence before every IDF tweet: "We have shared intelligence with our allies and are making a tiny bit public:"

[-] TechDiver@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago

Or they support Israel against terrorism because that's the moral thing to do

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

There is no moral war, stop spouting nonsense.

[-] nevemsenki@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

So countries like Vietnam did not have a moral ground to fight against their french, american or chinese invaders?

I'd be careful with blanket statements.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

No, there is no moral war.

Wars are fought for things not ideals.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Should Hitler have been allowed to complete his final solution?

Should Ukraine just give up 20% of their nation?

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Not moral, and also not actually about any of those causes but actually about economic capture.

Again not a moral war, Russia wanted land and former ussr bases not to eradicate Nazis.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I agree that’s what Russia wanted, but I don’t find it immoral for Ukraine to defend itself from a war of aggression

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

It's not immoral to defend yourself, that isn't however why the war started.

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[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Wow bro are you glorifying Hamas right now?

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[-] Globeparasite@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

no but there are strategically needed war. Lets take France.

During 7th October attack France saw 30 of her citizens murdered, tortured and raped directly by the HAMAS and there are still french hostage in Gaza. I want to note this is an act of war France could perfectly respond to with the full might of its armament. This happen in spite of the tens if millions of euros they send each year to Gaza in humanitarian aid and their political condemnation of Israeli colonization. France suffered a terrorist attack motivated by an international Jihad partly supported by HAMAS around the same date. On the wider spectrum, France as a large Christian population who regularly send loads of pilgrims in Israel and Palestine, therefore the HAMAS is indeed a very real threat to french security.

So yeah France is not going to blame Israel for destroying the HAMAS However France has spearheaded vast humanitarian effort for Palestinians since the beginning of the slaughters, from taking part in the EU airlift to sending an hospital ship to Gaza, the French Republic has been resolute in preserving civilian life while letting HAMAS die in their hole

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

It's 100% French tourists went to a country that is actively in conflict with it's neighbors while occupying and carrying out offensives in occupied territory. Death is a risk France specifically warns people about and Israel hasn't been on the French safe travel list since 2021 because it isn't... Safe.

That is not casus belli but way to warhawk!

Gaza had not received aid in over 48 hours, no power, no water, dead left to rot. France has no left to stand on homie, that's not how any of this works.

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[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


"It's always very hard to make a crystal-clear causal connection between a demonstration and the effect it has on politics," says Jacquelien van Stekelenburg, a professor of social change and conflict at Amsterdam's Vrije Universiteit.

In the wake of Hamas' October 7 attacks, in which Israeli authorities initially said 1,400 people were killed — a figure later revised down to 1,200 — and another 240 were abducted, Anthony Albanese used the "defend itself" line.

By early November, Foreign Minister Penny Wong was warning at a press conference that the "international community will not accept ongoing civilian deaths".

Canberra's ambassador to the UN, James Larsen, said the fact "the resolution did not recognise terror group Hamas as the perpetrator of the October 7 attack" meant his country couldn't vote.

Jewish leaders have highlighted rising anti-Semitism since the war began in October, including at some demonstrations Australia, and Israel has warned its citizens to reconsider any travel abroad.

In the days before the march, White House national security spokesperson John Kirby said Israel had agreed to daily four-hour humanitarian pauses in fighting.


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