115
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 15 Nov 2023
115 points (100.0% liked)
World News
39004 readers
2673 users here now
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News !news@lemmy.world
Politics !politics@lemmy.world
World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
This article essentially says "These protests are unlikely to change government agendas because governments currently don't support a ceasefire." it doesn't explain why this is the case.
That point is neither enlightening nor interesting.
This article does a horrible job of explaining it.
Russia-adjacent countries have a strong incentive to support Israel if they want to purchase missile defense systems. Finland signed a deal earlier this week. Many countries around the world use Israeli-made/designed military systems, and they don't want to jeopardize their continued access to those systems.
The other factor is non-public intelligence - tack this sentence before every IDF tweet: "We have shared intelligence with our allies and are making a tiny bit public:"
Or they support Israel against terrorism because that's the moral thing to do
There is no moral war, stop spouting nonsense.
So countries like Vietnam did not have a moral ground to fight against their french, american or chinese invaders?
I'd be careful with blanket statements.
No, there is no moral war.
Wars are fought for things not ideals.
Should Hitler have been allowed to complete his final solution?
Should Ukraine just give up 20% of their nation?
Not moral, and also not actually about any of those causes but actually about economic capture.
Again not a moral war, Russia wanted land and former ussr bases not to eradicate Nazis.
I agree that’s what Russia wanted, but I don’t find it immoral for Ukraine to defend itself from a war of aggression
It's not immoral to defend yourself, that isn't however why the war started.
Fair enough
Wow bro are you glorifying Hamas right now?
Are you fucking dumb?
Well you said the defender has the right to defend themselves against occupation. While what Hamas did Oct 7 was completely within the international laws, it was still a bit rude.
Correct.
No shit.
What's your point.
no but there are strategically needed war. Lets take France.
During 7th October attack France saw 30 of her citizens murdered, tortured and raped directly by the HAMAS and there are still french hostage in Gaza. I want to note this is an act of war France could perfectly respond to with the full might of its armament. This happen in spite of the tens if millions of euros they send each year to Gaza in humanitarian aid and their political condemnation of Israeli colonization. France suffered a terrorist attack motivated by an international Jihad partly supported by HAMAS around the same date. On the wider spectrum, France as a large Christian population who regularly send loads of pilgrims in Israel and Palestine, therefore the HAMAS is indeed a very real threat to french security.
So yeah France is not going to blame Israel for destroying the HAMAS However France has spearheaded vast humanitarian effort for Palestinians since the beginning of the slaughters, from taking part in the EU airlift to sending an hospital ship to Gaza, the French Republic has been resolute in preserving civilian life while letting HAMAS die in their hole
It's 100% French tourists went to a country that is actively in conflict with it's neighbors while occupying and carrying out offensives in occupied territory. Death is a risk France specifically warns people about and Israel hasn't been on the French safe travel list since 2021 because it isn't... Safe.
That is not casus belli but way to warhawk!
Gaza had not received aid in over 48 hours, no power, no water, dead left to rot. France has no left to stand on homie, that's not how any of this works.
Those are mostly Christian pilgrims. Second war still doesn't allow you to target civilians.
"French safe travel list"
The french Ministry of Foreign Affairs does not work with a safe travel list but with a safety scale. It has been around the middle or even lower middle of that scale for the past two decades and was never green. You don't know what you are talking about.
"That is not casus belli but way to warhawk"
Except France didn't went two war, so your argument is fucking dumb. Lastly if someone steal your bike and you decide to break into the robber's house with a gun to gat it back and the robber hurt you this still count as self defense even if the robber is an asshole ^^. According to you France should let that slide but Palestine should not let similar things slide ? Why.
"Gaza had not received aid in over 48 hours"
False. The border with Egypt was closed. But the EU airlift wasn't. And a shitton of aid had managed to pass right before Israel forbid the entrance of aid inside Gaza (problem is that we had report of HAMAS stealing aid which didn't help)
"it isn’t… Safe"
And ? All cities have "unsafe area" where a lot of crimes happen does that justify the rape happen there ? Is your excuse for thirty murders with acts of torture and barabarism that "they just do that in Palestine" ? If that is, I think Palestinian find it very cool you like them but clearly the best thing you can do for them is to stop saying stuff.
Lastly,
France has been involved a lot in Palestinian history. By sending so much aid to Palestinian it becames one of the main sources of PA budget to the spearheading of an EU condemnation of Israeli colonization. And most importantly it is thanks to the French Army and Navy that Palestine even exist. Oh yes, the Palestinian State was proclaimed by Yasser Arafat in 1988. In 1982 as the IDF was closing in on Beirut it was the French Army who interposed itself between the advancing IDF and the survivors of PLO command. And it was the Marine Nationale and the U.S Navy who escorted them to safety. Without this intervention 1982 would have been the end of Palestinian Resistance as an organised political movement. So that is how, you a Palestine "supporter" talk about one of the few countries that actually stepped in for Palestine.
P.S : "offensives in occupied territory" that... is by definition not possible an offensive is a military action conceived to conquer a previously unoccupied territory
TL;DR : Why are you trying to convince everyone Palestine only behave medievally everytime there's an armed conflict and murder everyone they see be it allies or enemies ?
Who gives a shit why they're there. And I have specifically and repeatedly condemned civilian deaths and Israels ethnic cleansing.
Remind me again, is France part of the eu? Yeah? Ok because the eu removed Israel and the US in 2021 because of both crime and the pandemic those things being not totally separable. You don't know what you're talking about.
That's my point, they didn't go to war because they couldn't, france has to let it slide, civilian deaths in Israel are on Israel not a terrorist organization that has not held elections in the lifespan of over half it's population.
Multiple outlets report no aid for 48 hours, argue with them homie.
It clearly isn't safe given the deaths, right? It's not at all "they just do that" you fucking bigot, how you even got that is beyond me, like legit are you high?
Sure, they've sent aid historically, that doesn't actually change anything. I'm aware of the history, hitting up wiki isn't going to make your argument less dumb. I'm not a "Palestinian supporter", if you think saying Israel is going to goddamn far after killing ten times as many most of which are civilians then you're a goddamn moron.
noun
/əˈfensiv/
an attacking military campaign.
Just stop, you're getting both tedious and idiotic.
Literally no one said that, but why are you trying to convince everyone "Palestine only behave medievally everytime there's an armed conflict and murder everyone they see be it allies or enemies ?"
Similarly the war isn't against Palestine it's against hamas but nuance clearly escapes you.
Yes I also remember the famed entry of Israel andthe US in the European Union
Yes during the first 48 hours there was no aid the first
The ancient history of 2016. Oh and this aid has only been growing since. US and EU aid make for a majority of the PA's budget (that is without project funding)
no you are really not. You clearly know jackshit about the History of French and US military relations with the PLO and intervention against the IDF and how Arafat was even alive to proclaim the state of Palestine in 88.
read what I wrote, my point is : people who described ethnic cleansing by the HAMAS as an act of palestinian resistance which should be answered only by negociation are actually portraying Palestinian as bloodthirsty genociders and doing them a great disservice to say the least. (btw i'm not sure if your point is that i claimed that what's between in quotation mark is true or if your sentence is so poorly constructed it is barely understandable, same goes for the EU argument)
Yes Netanyahu said that I agree. Sadly for you Gazans for "some" reasons don't really feel that way
Are you drunk? Did you bother to read the text of the conversation before you popped back in only to say crazy shit?
You completely flipped sides, hilarious. Thank you for agreeing though.
I don't care about your opinion. I am not even arguing opinion. I'm pointing out that you are either turbo-wrong on the facts or can't make a bloody sentence. I can't agree with you because you are so bad at making your point its like you have none.
Again what does THAT
seriously everything in that sentence is not only wrong, but that barely qualify as sentences.
Again, are yu trying to say Israel was part of the EU ?
What is also THAT ? Why is the quote so poorly made, why is there a "but". The construction of the sentence seems completely reverse, how am i suppose to understand what you are saying.
It's a fact dude.
Again those are facts.
No. Jesus. Ok, the eu has a safe travel list like every other nation which is legit just a list of places you shouldn't fucking go because here's the kicker..... They aren't safe.
I don't know, I didn't write it I popped it back at you specifically because it was word salad.
It is amusing that you don't know what a safe travel list is but are screaming about how I'm ignorant.
first the EU and french travel list are different and work differently. France for exemple have safety degrees and not a safe/unsafe binary option lastly
so you were talking about travel list. You manage to forgot to include the main subject of your argument in your sentence. If you forget to mention your own point how am I suppose to understand your gibberish.
That's what I've been saying all this insane exchange : you fail at making basic sentence which make your point barely understandable.
P.S : for the french Foreign affairs, even during active war, Israel is safer than Iran
Sure, but France is part of the eu so the eu lost applies as well and there's travel advisories for Israel on both. So yeah you have a point but it's dumb.
I didn't, we were already talking about travel lists, keep up.
Hilariously ironic and inept, fun combo.
Sure, that's a point but again a very fucking dumb one.
please right correct sentences*
Try again.
at least mine are understandable despite english being my third language madison
Only took 5 days to come up with huh?
no its just that I have a life pal. I don't spend more than an hour per day here and I try to make it nice.
Uh huh, sure.
Pal. It took you only 30 minutes to answer me. Me I'm finishing the bullshit hour on here. See you on St Nicholas
Replying takes 30 seconds and I get notifications. You're apparently just lazy or imprompt, it's not a bad thing to be the opposite of either of those two things.