696
submitted 11 months ago by jeffw@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago

When there are 24 million guns of that type sold and only a handful used illegally each year, is that really a problem on the manufacturer though?

Seems like the vast, vast, majority of them are used legally or simply not used at all.

[-] RichCaffeineFlavor@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

When your product's only use is to commit mass murder and you advertise it as making you an invincible badass then yes.

Your point is irrelevant. "Only a tiny fraction of the land mines I placed outside a school killed any children."

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That's the thing, that's NOT the only use for the platform. If it were, it wouldn't be the best selling rifle in the US.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/america-s-rifle-why-so-many-people-love-ar-15-n831171

The primary reason for choosing one is weight.

My grandfathers Remington 721 weighs 8.4 pounds (3.8kg), carries 4 rounds, and in .30-06 is arguably a stronger caliber than the .223 in an AR platform.

My Henry .45-70, the caliber rated for all big game in North America (and jokingly rated by Marlin for T-Rex), weighs 8.1 pounds (3.67kg) and carries 4+1 rounds.

Something like the Ruger AR556 weighs a relatively svelte 6.5 pounds (2.95kg) and comes stock with a 30 round capacity, making it easier to carry.

I know, I know, 1.9 pounds (0.86kg) doesn't SOUND like a lot, but it FEELS a lot heavier when you're marching around the woods with a rifle strap digging into your shoulder.

And being able to pick up something fast and use it in a home defense situation makes all the difference in the world.

And make no mistake about it, the Supreme Court has ruled over and over that the primary reason for the 2nd Amendment is self defense.

(2008)
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/554/570/

"Private citizens have the right under the Second Amendment to possess an ordinary type of weapon and use it for lawful, historically established situations such as self-defense in a home, even when there is no relationship to a local militia."

(2010)
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/561/742/

"The Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment extends the Second Amendment’s right to keep and bear arms to the states, at least for traditional, lawful purposes such as self-defense."

(2016)
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/577/14-10078/

“the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding,”

(2022)
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/597/20-843/

the "constitutional right to bear arms in public for self-defense is not a second-class right, subject to an entirely different body of rules than the other Bill of Rights guarantees.” The exercise of other constitutional rights does not require individuals to demonstrate to government officers some special need.

[-] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago

A huge comment, but I fail to find what you consider other uses beside what you commented on.

load more comments (16 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[-] e_mc2@feddit.nl 6 points 11 months ago

But honest question, why do you buy a gun like that if you're never ever going to use it? For what purpose do people buy these things anyway?

[-] BeMoreCareful@lemdro.id 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If police and proud boys have them...

I do use mine for target practice though. I shot competitively when I was younger and really appreciate the skill aspect. I have fond memories of my grandpa teaching me how to shoot, but hunting has never been on my radar.

January sixth, probably played a pretty big role in me actually "pulling the trigger" tbh. That and a PB demonstration down the street from me.

If I was honest, it's basically a super dangerous bowling ball to me.

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] krayj@sh.itjust.works 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The sub-headline of the article claims there is no purpose for "assault weapons" other than killing people.

each designed with a single purpose — to kill lots of people as fast as possible

Is this article trying to tell me I'm using mine wrong? Because I use mine only for things that don't involve killing people.

[-] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I use a butter-knife to open paint cans with, but that's not what it's for.

load more comments (27 replies)
[-] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 7 points 11 months ago

Are you telling me this hammer is built for pounding lots of nails? I only use mine for pulling nails and securing staples that have come loose.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

As soon as I see the term "assault weapon" all credibility goes right out the window.

[-] JackiesFridge@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

As soon as I see the pedant arguing semantics, their credibility goes right out the window.

load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments (9 replies)
[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

It's a social issue not a gun issue. Shitty parents, shitty economics, shitty education and a shitty social structure are what makes America a higher crime nation in general and a higher gun crime nation specifically.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Making Americans suffer the consequences of their sowing FUD for profit is good business.

[-] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago

Their children don't get mutilated beyond recognition at school, because their children's schools are very, very expensive.

load more comments (5 replies)
[-] Vipsu@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

With all the guns around in US I am genuenly surprised that most of these shooters just go on random killing sprees instead of political assasinations. In japan a DYI gun was enough to kill former prime minister Shinzo Abe so would think country so divided as United states would have far more of these cases.

Guess the people on top truly are untouchable at least for most of the time.

load more comments (4 replies)
[-] TonyStew@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago

That American liberals focus on rifles in regards to gun violence more than 1/20 as much as they do handguns or 1.75x as much as the president's recommended shotgun, nevermind the fervor for AWBs, betray the lack of concern and understanding of the issues truly driving America's culture of violence beyond "big ones are scarier".

All compounded by their laws' universal exemptions for police current and former, on-and-off-the-clock demonstrating no fear of arming the most violent among us as long as they swear fealty to minority oppression and dissident suppression in the name of maintaining capital's status quo, sleeping sound assuming those barrels won't turn inwards towards them. Hell, that the fight against gun violence now includes banning armor to protect oneself from it shows how important it is that we be obliged to let them indulge.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The body armor regulations are the real WTF for me. It's just a bold faced admission that they (i.e. the police and government) don't like the notion that maybe the police can't just roll up and kill you whenever they want.

The other reiteration I'll add to your point about police exemptions is (in case anyone missed the "former") that most of these bans and gun regulations not only exempt the police, they also exempt retired policemen. So if these guys are off the force, why do they need machine guns, switchblades, big magazines, > .50 caliber, etc., etc., etc., exactly?

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago

It's the same reason the FAA has such stringent safety regulations for aircraft, while tens of thousands of people die in traffic accidents every year: Mass shootings are huge amounts of death and also rare, compared to crimes of passion or suicides by gun.

The problem is that to solve any of these problems will involve two things that Republicans hate: Providing social services and confiscating guns from people who shouldn't have them. Both of those are far less likely to pass than a simple ban on a small subset of guns.

So until Republicans put up or shut up about "it's mental health" nothing will get done.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 8 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The industry’s alpha-male sales pitches promise buyers the power to “control your destiny.” According to law-enforcement records, Card had been haunted by phantom voices — including taunts that he had a “small dick.” The Ruger SFAR, with its thick barrel, is marketed without subtlety as “Bigger and Stronger Where It Needs to Be.”

Wilson Combat sells the “Urban Super Sniper.” Franklin Armory markets assault rifles in its “Militia Series.” An ad from Patriot Ordnance Factory-USA features a hooded man with an AR-15 standing in the ruins of a city, with the tagline “When corrupt politics fail, our guns won’t.”

But it doesn’t take many people to execute a military mission, to shatter families and communities, and create national panic and anxiety.” In the case of Card, Koskoff adds, “He’s one person, one weapon — and the entire state of Maine was frozen.”

(The AR prefix stands for “Armalite Rifle.”) The Pentagon sought an infantry weapon that was light, lethal, and versatile — that could match the “killing power” of the bulky, World War II-era M1 in close combat, but still be capable of “penetrating a steel helmet or standard body armor at 500 yards.”

But in a quest to make the rifle lighter and more maneuverable, it developed the AR-15, with smaller rounds — fired at extraordinary velocity to create “maximum wound effect.” Though marketed today with a cachet of manhood, the military prized the AR platform because its feather weight and minimal recoil were well-suited for the “small stature of the Vietnamese” allies whose “average soldier,” one document stated, “stands five feet tall and weighs 90 pounds.”

The department then sent regional law-enforcement agencies a warning that Card “made threats to shoot up the National Guard armory in Saco” and was “committed over the summer … due to his altered mental health state.” It advised that he should be approached with “extreme caution.”


The original article contains 4,150 words, the summary contains 314 words. Saved 92%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[-] Zummy@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

It’s simple, gun companies in America want to be as rich as they can be. If they have to do things like take time to evaluate who should be allowed to buy weapons or how long it should take before an individual receives them, they make less money than they would have. So instead, they make sure the time from wanting a gun and getting a gun is as little as possible.

The claim is further that going through someone’s mental history, or being disclosed details of treatment would be violative of HIPPA laws. I say, when you’re about to give someone a weapon that is basically designed for nothing else but killing humans, maybe you look into past treatment if someone saw a doctor because he was having dreams of killing every school child. Ask the question of the health professional first, and if it meets the criteria when you get more details.

[-] repungnant_canary@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

~~gun~~ companies ~~in America~~ want to be as rich as they can be

That's the cause of most problems in this world

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 11 Nov 2023
696 points (100.0% liked)

politics

19082 readers
4206 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS