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[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

As soon as I see the term "assault weapon" all credibility goes right out the window.

[-] JackiesFridge@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

As soon as I see the pedant arguing semantics, their credibility goes right out the window.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

It's not tho. Use specific terms and u don't look like an incompetent fool.

[-] JackiesFridge@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Dismissing someone's argument over semantics is trivial objection that doesn't engage in the actual argument. You understand perfectly well what the argument is, and that it's addressing a different issue than categories of armament.

Plus, declaring your opponent an "incompetent fool" to dismiss their argument is a bonus ad hominem fallacy.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

It is not semantics. People honestly don't know what defines an assault rifle vs a semi auto. Also looking incompetent isn't me saying that to dismiss their argument it is them simply looking like they don't know what they're talking about and thus their own actions make them able to be disregarded.

You really don't understand logical fallacies or how they work it seems.

[-] JackiesFridge@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Well I will agree that one of us does not have a grasp on logical fallacies.

People do not NEED to know the textbook definition of an assault rifle to know that a weapon designed for maximum carnage should be regulated. You also don't NEED to hear an accurate reference to a specific weapon to understand their argument. You know what they mean.

By outright dismissing them because they haven't defined a term to your satisfaction, you are not engaging in good faith.

If you really were interested in discussion, you would respond to establish a standard definition and then, based on that definition, provide your counter argument.

[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago

What else is it? Definitely not a defense weapon lol

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Semi automatic rifle? You know...what it actually ..is

[-] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 3 points 11 months ago

Well that was easy.

[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

Would an attacher be any less credible if they murdered people with a handgun rather than a rifle ? what is the point you're trying to make ? don't people still die ? is the ammo type really relevant here ?

[-] Pipoca@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

People who don't like the term "assault rifle" think it basically means "scary-looking rifle" rather than "particularly deadly rifle". In New York state law, for example,

Assault weapon means a semiautomatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following characteristics: (1) a folding or telescoping stock; (2) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (3) a thumbhole stock; (4) a second handgrip or protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (5) a bayonet mount; (6) a flash suppressor or muzzle break or muzzle compensator or a threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor or muzzle break or muzzle compensator; or (7) a grenade launcher.”

So a semiauto rifle in .223 Remington with a wooden stock is a "varmit hunting rifle", but simply giving it a black folding stock makes it an "assault rifle".

Honestly, things like NYS's limits on magazine size makes more sense to me than banning telescoping stocks or a second pistol grip.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I didn't say anything about ammo type. See this is the problem. You have no clue what you're actually talking about here.

[-] trafficnab@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Don't forget the fearsome "deadlier-than-military-weaponry, AR-15 style assault shotguns"

I spent about two minutes trying to come up with a good joke about this one, but honestly I think it speaks for itself

[-] ZeroTHM@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

What's really funny is that the 12g built off the AR frame doesn't actually qualify for the "assault weapon" description, so said AR-15 style assault shotgun is a greenlight.

[-] trafficnab@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They characterize semi-automatic shotguns like they're this brand new, evil gun lobby invention, thought up to sell to crazed lunatics who can't get their kicks just shooting regular bullets into school children any more

Meanwhile, people have been shooting ducks with the Browning Auto-5 since literally the year 1900, and it only stopped production in 1998

But that's made of wood and doesn't have the shoulder thing that goes up, so it's not scary

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