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Why nano gets used (lemmy.world)
submitted 10 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) by Skullgrid@lemmy.world to c/programmer_humor@programming.dev

Nano has already supplanted the great EMacs and Vim as the most popular text editor of all linux distros, for though it has many omissions in functionality it scores over the older, more complete programs in two important respects. First, it is slightly simpler; and secondly it has the text "^ Exit" inscribed in highlighted text on its footer

EDIT : This sees to be going over some people's heads. It's a hitchiker's guide to the galaxy reference.

The Hitchhiker's Guide has already supplanted the great Encyclopaedia Galactica as the standard repository of all knowledge and wisdom, for though it has many omissions . . . it scores over the older, more pedestrian work in two important respects. First, it is slightly cheaper; and secondly it has the words DON'T PANIC inscribed in large friendly letters on its cover.

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[-] heliotrope@retrofed.com 7 points 1 hour ago

I've used Vim, NeoVim, Micro, mg(1), JOE, and even MS Edit (both the original DOS version and the recent Rust clone). No matter how complex and tailored I wrote my config, though, the features I actually used were included in GNU nano and/or my command shell without any of the bugs, bloat, learning curve, or slop.

Using it as my default just makes sense.

[-] Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Nano is great for editing files. It is absolutely terrible for any amount of text processing or anything other than raw code copied from a tutorial

[-] Solemarc@lemmy.world 1 points 52 minutes ago* (last edited 35 minutes ago)

I use helix for all my developer work and nano for "I need to edit this config file buried somewhere in /usr/...". I never remember to do Sudo -E

[-] tyfon@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Best local simple terminal text editor is micro.

[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 6 points 3 hours ago

oh no, not again.

Sometimes I catch myself opening nano inside emacs' term. I literally forget I'm using emacs and just do it on instinct. I once also opened emacs inside emacs' term and I just stared at the screen in disbelief.

[-] edinbruh@feddit.it 21 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

It's there and it's easy. Most people don't use terminal text editors unless they are SSHing in a server, and they would only do that sporadically, so it makes no sense to become proficient in a complex text editor like vim or Emacs for that little use case.

Sidenote: personally, I learned vim once, and used it extensively every day for two years. I stopped using it for one year and was back to square one. Now I use vscode for everything... Even when I'm using SSH, because vscode supports SSH

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 4 hours ago

I always forget that vscode can do that

[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 hours ago

It’s kind of sad that many people don’t use the shell / terminal anymore, especially as part of their regular development flow. There’s so much scripting and so many shell commands you can use that will do things you just can’t do in vscode. And having an editor like vi immediately available is part of that flow.

For me, vim and the shell are my primary IDE. I rarely fire up vscode. But I guess I’m getting old. Still faster than the younger devs who mainly use vscode and then struggle when they are forced to use the command line due to whatever circumstance where vscode is not available or appropriate. Kind of makes me sad. Feels like a valuable skill is being lost.

[-] edinbruh@feddit.it 6 points 4 hours ago

Oh, I use the terminal a lot, it doesn't throw me off. When I can't have vscode (e.g. small openwrt devices) I can use vim. It's just plain easier to use vscode for editing files when I can

[-] scrion@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Every editor "supports" SSH, you can mount files on a remote SSH server via SSHFS.

[-] edinbruh@feddit.it 4 points 3 hours ago

And instead vscode supports SSH (without quotes), you can connect to an SSH host, and it will open files and folders on the host like it does locally. And if you open the integrated terminal it will run on the remote host. And it will forward the git login agent so you can commit or push with the credentials of your local machine. And it can forward ports from the remote.

[-] cannedtuna@piefed.world 30 points 7 hours ago

People don’t have to look up “how to exit nano”

[-] AgentSeven@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 hours ago

I'm in the "been working with Linux since the 90s" gang so I call vim vi and nano pico and when I started there was a coolness factor to be considered. I was incredibly uncool so I used whatever I wanted, including pico - I mean you used pine for email back in the day and the interface was nearly identical, so whatever.

But I did want to be at least a tiny bit cooler, so I learned vi in a fairly rudimentary fashion. I can edit, jump, delete, search, replace, copy and paste - oh, and I can exit. I've spent so much time using vi, that my brain doesn't even have to think about exiting, not even whether I want to write or not. It just happens like second nature. It's actually gotten to where nano seems unduly burdensome to me.

But really, I prefer an IDE for programming. CLI editors will always be for configuration files and shell scripts to me.

[-] shellington@piefed.zip 101 points 10 hours ago

I like Nano; it lets me do what I need to do quickly, simply and efficiently.

[-] homes@piefed.world 18 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

That’s why nano gets used more than vi/vim. In the past, the majority of people using terminal text editors were geeks and developers. Now the majority of people using the terminal text editors are more often casual users who have no use for putting the time and effort to learn vi/vim, especially because they have no need for the extended functionality

[-] chellomere@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago

I don't get you people. Proper copy/paste support is "extended functionality"? I beg to differ. This is basic functionality.

And no, single line copy/paste as offered by nano, or copy and paste through the terminal is not proper copy/paste.

[-] Venator@lemmy.nz 1 points 26 minutes ago

Doesn't matter if it's not "proper" if it works.

[-] Zos_Kia@jlai.lu 5 points 4 hours ago

Blasphemy! Ctrl+k is multi line!

[-] SnotFlickerman 42 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Many were increasingly of the opinion that they’d all made a big mistake in making text editors in the first place. And some said that even making operating systems had been a bad move, and that no one should ever have built computers at all.

[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 hours ago

In the beginning, boolean algebra was invented.

This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 hours ago

Same here, computers have gone the wrong way; from utility to project to pet.

[-] kopasz7@sh.itjust.works 28 points 9 hours ago

It is preinstalled and does what it needs to do. What else can I ask for?

[-] renlok@lemmy.zarioth.com 12 points 7 hours ago

Same reason people use notepad on windows. It's already installed on almost every distro

[-] syscall@programming.dev 34 points 10 hours ago

I see Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy parody, I updoot

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

If ind it quite funny that the majority of the posts are about the text editor and not about the blatant hitchhiker's guide reference to the point where I had to specify it in the OP and then the thread exploded after that point.

[-] Scoopta@programming.dev 18 points 10 hours ago

I've wanted to move elsewhere for a long time, thing is I don't use nano for programming, I use it for config files. For programming I use an IDE, and every time I've tried leaving my IDE for emacs with a language server I find I just can't be bothered to set it up and learn it and make the move. Maybe because while I have some gripes with my current setup...they're very minor

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[-] perishthethought@piefed.social 7 points 8 hours ago

I'm part of the "learned Linux when I got my first raspberry pi" gang, and all Ras pi tutorials tell you to use nano. So yes.

[-] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 20 points 10 hours ago

Nano is to EMacs/Vim as Notepad is to Notepad++ or VSCode (Nano has features Notepad doesn't, but you get the point).

I don't do a ton of code editing directly on the CLI. I do things like change parameters in config files or open a file to read it quickly. If I'm doing more heavy editing, I'll use a GUI editor (with an SFTP extension if I'm working on a headless server). So programs like Vim and EMacs have never been useful for me.

To each their own (and I have all the respect for anyone who knows how to exit Vim without looking it up) but I'm guessing the majority of people have a similar experience.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

I spent enough time learning vim that I can do basic navigation and text editing. I'd like to be able to navigate efficiently like some of the savants out there, but the effort to get to that point is more than I'm willing to put into in.

[-] Redjard@reddthat.com 5 points 7 hours ago

Being good at nano does not transfer like notepad transfers to notepad++ or kwrite.
vim does not respect nano shortcuts and modes are simply a barrier: an extra keypress and another thing to keep track of. It slows you down significantly.
Noone good at nano would switch to vim naturally, you have to force yourself to endure until you catch back up to what you could long do in nano.

Conversely I don't know a single shortcut, behavior, or info notepad shows that np++ or kwrite don't have. Besides maybe bracket and quote completion in kwrite which you'd have to disable in settings.
And on the other hand the advantages are more directly visible, like tabs, syntax hilighting, ...
You might not immediately intuit the shortcuts for tab management, but you can still use tabs and then not return to notepad due to missing them.

[-] imecth@fedia.io 1 points 5 hours ago

vim does not respect nano shortcuts and modes are simply a barrier: an extra keypress and another thing to keep track of. It slows you down significantly.

You obviously haven't used much vim if you think modes slow you down. First it means you don't have to bring your right hand all the way to the arrows whenever you want to move the cursor, secondly it means you can use shortcuts without adding a modifier everytime - this translates to fewer keypresses.

[-] Redjard@reddthat.com 3 points 4 hours ago

I was talking about the new user experience. No new user can navigate without the arrow keys, the most you can expect is looking up i and esc to enter and exit edit mode, and then using both modes the same way being annoyed at being in the wrong mode when something doesn't work.
Keeping track of the modes is also obviously something only problematic to those not familiar with vim.

[-] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago

Sure, Notepad transfers to other GUI programs better than Nano transfers to Vim or EMacs. But that has little to do with Notepad and more to do with GUIs typically supporting similar shortcuts. Like I said, it's an imperfect analogy.

I think you missed my original point. Most people wouldn't describe themselves as "good" or "bad" at Notepad or Nano. They're simple programs designed for simple editing. The learning curve is very low for both. Advanced editors have differing learning curves, but they're all a lot more steep.

And my original point was that, because many people do only simple editing in a CLI and more advanced editing in a GUI, it makes sense that Nano became the most popular for CLI due to its shallow learning curve.

[-] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 4 points 7 hours ago

Not long ago, I needed to quickly add a 4-line thing to my Ruby on Rails app on my Raspberry Pi. I was like, shit, I really can't be arsed to mount the RPi over Samba to edit this stuff on VSCode on my Windows laptop to add like 4 lines. I don't have vim, I can't be arsed to check which vimlike I have at hand, I can't be arsed to see if my Emacs setup has been customised for this RPi. So fuck it, Nano it is!

[-] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 hours ago

The Venn diagram of nano users and Debian/Ubuntu users is a circle

[-] cmbabul@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 hour ago

I myself make it just a slightly out of focus circle, nano or Kate and yes I’m on Arch… btw

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

yep. One of the reasons I stick to debian based (vanilla Deb) is so that any dumbass tutorial works for me, because I am not smart.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 hours ago

I have been around since production servers were predominantly HP-UX, Solaris, and AIX. I settled on Vi because it was the one common editor that was preinstalled on every *NIX OS, including Linux and you could jump right into edit mode while reading a file without having to exit the preview first.

Nano is fine, but one you've gone through the pain of committing Vi to muscle memory, there's no point to switch.

[-] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 9 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Big fan of micro. Like nano, it's non-modal, but unlike nano, it doesn't need to print its shortcuts on the bottom because everyone already knows most of the shortcuts from almost every GUI editor. And it has inbuilt LSP support (TBH it's a bit much at times, the UI is a bit too intrusive to (by default) complain every time you violate some style guideline).

Though that's moot if you don't have admin privileges on the box you're working on.

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[-] JRaccoon@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 8 hours ago

I think Vim is great if you use it everyday and know it inside out. For those of us who don't, Nano is just easier, not least because it tells you in the UI how to exit it xD

[-] Diplomjodler@feddit.org 6 points 9 hours ago

I only ever use to quickly edit some config file and for that i really don't need anything more complex.

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