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submitted 1 day ago by TRAHR@sh.itjust.works to c/world@quokk.au

Use of single-sex toilets, changing rooms and hospital wards in England, Scotland and Wales is now restricted according to a person’s birth sex, rather than the gender with which they identify.

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[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Like the drug laws, dress code laws, and so on, another one of the legion of bullshit laws used to harass citizens. Just one more reason to "check ID", which leads to many more "crimes" to get the charged into the court system and squeeze even more money from them. They want to get you on parole or into the prison system bad.

Think of it as another tax, like interest rates.

A lot of businesses already deny any bathroom access in the USA, even to paying customers; they don't care. This law will decrease public bathroom access for all unless UK government already dictates public access to business bathrooms.

[-] SCmSTR 2 points 2 hours ago

And that's why it's TERF Island.

[-] stopforgettingit@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago

So, how will this be enforce or is this just an excuse to for the idiotic general public beat people up?

[-] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago

I'm from the US, but I imagine its going to be like sodomy laws we had on the books for the longest time. Laws like this are largely unenforceable, but can be used to "throw the book" at someone if so desired. That also makes it performative for politicians, and they might even rest conscience free no matter how they really feel about the matter.

That said, I think older folks from the gay community might be able to provide better context about this sort of thing. I only know so much.

[-] Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

I have been to Hollywood before, they do not let people use restroom, in a freaking tourist town.

There was a lot of pee and poo outside, by dumpsters and pay phones, all over on the side streets.

By banning restrooms you end up with other issues far worse.

[-] SirMaple__@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 day ago
[-] JadenSmith@sh.itjust.works 46 points 1 day ago

Quite a lot of trans men are quite jacked, with facial hair.

Whoever is in favour of this ridiculous situation, is in favour of men using women's toilets it seems. I'm very confused.

[-] PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.au 3 points 3 hours ago

Yes but that's not a problem for anyone terfs think if as people.

[-] Quokka@quokk.au 16 points 18 hours ago

They don't think about trans men existing.

[-] innermachine@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

You always hear about trans women, but I have only met one (that I know of) where I know several bio females that transitioned to be a man or non binary. I would be curious what the statistics are but I bet more females transition than males, which makes sense in our sexist society I suppose 🤷‍♂️

[-] Quokka@quokk.au 2 points 2 hours ago

Searching online I’m seeing it’s mostly evenly split between men/women with a few more enbies.

In my personal experience it’s far more trans women, but I guess trans men pass easier and go stealth. So less likely to be part of the community and more likely to be out fishing or something.

[-] innermachine@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Fair enough! My anecdotal evidence definatley doesn't qualify as statistically accurate, just what's happened in my friend group really lol.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

What a spectacular display of how the right wing posh cunts in the UK are little more than unthinking morons (in the technical sense of "moron", even) who barelly managed to learn a posh accent and dress code in whatever £40k/year public school they attended.

Not only did it took a quite a lot of explaining INCLUDING at the end repeating some things in a "For dummies" short format to get that posh cunt to understandstand the problem, his reaction makes it painfully obvious that he didn't even thought about things properly until that very moment.

I lived in the UK for over a decade and came out thinking that the country is profoundly and structurally anti-Meritocratic.

[-] PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.au 1 points 3 hours ago

Yes, its capitalist. They're all like that.

[-] ada 35 points 1 day ago

Nothing to be confused about. Hurting trans people is the point.

Why are they so OBSESSED with public bathrooms? They are nasty places you use if you have no other choice. This makes no sense to me why it takes up so much of their active brain activity.

[-] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Why are they so OBSESSED with public bathrooms?

$0.02: gender segregation of restrooms can be seen as an institution in support of a patriarchal class system. Likewise, breaking down the difference between the two (e.g. non-binary and transitioning folk) can be seen as a threat to said system.

https://time.com/4337761/history-sex-segregated-bathrooms/

TL;DR: It's sexism all the way down.

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Because it is great for distracting people from noticing the shady as fuck shit they do in back rooms and behind closed doors.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Modern Neoliberal Politics, both the "center"-Right and the "opposing" performance of "center"-"Left".

Whilst politicians, the media and (ideally for them) the public opinion are talking about gender minorities' access to toilets, they're not talking of wealth inequality, the lack of access to housing and general empoverishmnt of young people and the "World-beating" bad management of Britain for the last 4 decades (especially since 2007, extra specially so since the Leave Referendum).

The more politicians talk about moral subjects and scapegoat foreigners ("immigrants" when performing a "Right" character, "foreign interference" when performing a "Left" character) for a country's mismanagement, the more they're hidding how much they're mismanaging the country when it comes to what affects everyday life for most people, be it because those politicians' only real competence is in managing appearances and deceit or because they're only really motivated by the rewards they will get from the very rich friends they make by making laws and managing the country for the benefit of very rich, very thankful people (and screw everybody else).

TL;DR - this shit is just yet another Act in the Theatrical Production which is mainstream politics in Neoliberalism and its purpose is to entertain people to make them forget that the purpose of elected politicians in Representative Democracy is to Manage a country well in the interest of their voters, not to be Improv Thespians for the entertainment of the masses.

[-] Quokka@quokk.au 13 points 23 hours ago

Becuase sports and toilets are their wedges, they’ll broaden the targets after getting the public on board with these steps.

[-] Bryllyg@piefed.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 day ago

I am sure the idea is to force us into hiding. It is a precursor for far more nefarious things.

First they try to poison public opinion and dehumanize us.

Then they go after bathrooms and sports.

Now they are going after WPATH so that it will be even harder to transition.

They continue to try and slip things into budget bills to take away our ability to afford care. And were somewhat successful in defunding planned parenthood. I had to switch providers last year because they wouldnt cover me there anymore. Hopefully that has changed but i am not sure.

Soon, less than half the country will be safe. And if the federal government continues on this path they will find a way to force every state to stop insurance coverage.

And i dont really want to entertain the next part right now.

Yep, all this really really fucking sucks. I hope i am wrong. It can be an easy trap to fall into, the cycle of negative thinking, and i fall into it too often.

They want us stressed out and scared. They want to bully us into recanting our identity. Don't give them the satisfaction. Live your life to the fullest in as many moments as you can. Spread your kindness to those around you.

I have to believe that somehow good will win over evil. Sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesnt. I just keep believing in myself in doing my best.

I know all this sounds very doom and gloom. That is because it is. So what the fuck can we do? Start by building a social safety net now if you don't have one. Reach out to local support groups. Get a therapist if you don't have one. Concentrate on self care. Protest. Vote. Get involved with local government. Try and make friends with other transgender folks even if it can only be online.

We can get through this. But it's gonna be a hard fight and it might take decades.

[-] Corvidae@lemmy.world 13 points 23 hours ago

I'd just like to point out that Great Britain does not have separation of church and state.

[-] 58008@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Trans men who look like the Hairy Bikers are gonna be pinching off loaves in women's bathrooms now, on pain of legal trouble, thanks to the efforts of those who are frightened by trans people 🤦Make it make sense...

[-] SCmSTR 2 points 2 hours ago

And even for the people who don't pass, it really isn't an issue until some pos makes it. Its a bathroom: just use it and leave.

[-] starlinguk@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago

A lot of trans people say they will still be going to the right bathroom for their gender because going to the wrong one would cause problems.

[-] cheers_queers@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 hours ago

a lot of trans people pass extremely well. i guarantee every person in this country has taken a shit 3 feet away from a trans person taking their shit, and will never know it. this political climate mainly brutalizes trans women who dont pass well for whatever reason, be it late blooming or not caring to do voice training or feminisation surgeries which is a completely valid and personal choice.

[-] MrRandom@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 day ago

just make all restrooms unisex

[-] starlinguk@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

You don't get it. Hospitals that had unisex bathrooms at wards now have to change these to single gender ones.

[-] valkyre09@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My mother: I would never use a unisex bathroom.

Me: the bathroom in your house is unisex

Mother: that’s different that’s family

Me: so you wouldn’t let the plumber or electrician use the bathroom?

Mother: confused stare

[-] isleepinahammock 1 points 1 day ago

I understand where this point comes from, but it always comes across as vapid to me. Obviously when people express concern about gender-neutral bathrooms, they're talking about multi-user gender-neutral bathrooms.

[-] Quokka@quokk.au 6 points 1 day ago

So don’t have multiple people share a seat?

Seriously though, it’s not hard to have an open space with multiple stalls.

[-] isleepinahammock 8 points 1 day ago

(First: a disclaimer. Someone will try to make a bad-faith interpretation of this as me opposing gender-neutral restrooms. I'm fine with gender-neutral restrooms, but it's intellectually lazy to point to them as a solution to "the trans bathroom problem.")

In what universe is it easier to convince the population to completely give up gendered multi-user restrooms than it is to simply let trans people use the restrooms of their gender, as we have been for generations?

Do you know how trans people typically choose when to switch which restroom we use? We typically do it when we start getting weird glances or comments in the restroom of our birth sex. In other words, trans people pick the path of least disruption or resistance. You switch restrooms when remaining in the old one would be more disruptive than moving to the new one. Most trans people go out of their way to cause as few waves as possible. All trans people need for this is to just be left the fuck alone. We're handling it. Just mind your own damn business and stop legislating our lives.

Compare that to what you propose. You need to get the entire society onboard with getting rid of gendered bathrooms. You need to get parents OK with the idea of their 10 year old daughter sharing a restroom with a 300 lb 6' tall man. (And not just bigot's stereotypes of trans women, actual big cisgender men.) I'm sorry, but while maybe in an ideal enlightened world, that would be possible. But we just don't live in that world.

Trans people: "Please just leave us alone and quit getting into our business."

Enlightened centrists: "No! We'll keep the bigoted law in place restricting your bathroom use. But no worries, soon we'll just abolish gendered restrooms all together, and the problem will be solved!"

With allies like these, who needs enemies?

[-] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 13 hours ago

In what universe is it easier to convince the population to completely give up gendered multi-user restrooms than it is to simply let trans people use the restrooms of their gender, as we have been for generations?

I wonder if someone in 1960's made the same argument for keeping 'colored' bathrooms. 🤔

[-] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

IDK, my college made a bathroom unisex by just getting rid of the urinal in the men's room but keeping the women's room women only. Which I understand, some girls and women would be uncomfortable with the possibility of accidentally seeing a dick, and women need safe spaces from men.

So I'd rather just keep the urinals and let trans women just use the women's bathroom. Hell you can call the men's room a unisex bathroom if you want and let anyone in, just don't get rid of the urinal.

But then who would we exclude?

[-] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

But aren't they conservatives!? Those are the people the law is supposed to protect, not the people the law is supposed to bind!

[-] tanisnikana@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

I’m so tired. I’m just gonna lay down and close my eyes. If I never get back up, keep on.

[-] tanisnikana@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Thanks for the downvote, random friend. It shows me you care about the day-to-day plight and suffering and wearing-down of transgender people in a way that only you can indicate with a downvote.

[-] qevlarr@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

TERF island

[-] atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 day ago

I remember when the british government forced people amab to take estrogen

[-] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 hours ago

Like Alan Turing? You remember that? How old are you??

[-] atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 7 hours ago

According to wikipedia, at least 74

[-] Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Dumpster Fire!

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