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[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 159 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I used a bus in Japan to go to Mount Fuji. Seats were assigned like on a plane and I was sitting next to some Japanese guy. I did my best to respect their customs and remained silent and kept to myself for the two hour ride. The inside of the bus was as silent as a church for the entire drive even though it was full.

On the way back at the end of the day, the bus had dropped a few passengers somewhere and stopped at a station for a toilet break. When we boarded again the driver went to see the passenger beside me and moved him to another seat on the bus to sit in a seat that had been freed up next to another Japanese person. It looks like the passenger went to see the driver to request the seat change during the break.

I've spent the rest of the ride wondering what I had done wrong. It's really a fucked up feeling and it must be horrible to be experiencing this sort of passive aggressive racism on a daily basis in your own home.

It probably wasn't anything wrong you had done wrong. From what I've been hearing from some family who do business in asia. As they explain it, Japan has had an economic whiplash from the 80s and a lot of those cultural and economic policies that gave them initial success were not sustainable long term. And since Japan is a VERY proud culture, they've found it easier to blame outsiders than their own miscalculations.

[-] skittle07crusher@sh.itjust.works 40 points 3 weeks ago

they've found it easier to blame outsiders than their own miscalculations.

Enough said, round the world

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[-] Jimbo@pawb.social 16 points 3 weeks ago

The inside of the bus was as silent as a church for the entire drive even though it was full.

Is that not the case where you're from? Genuinely almost never heard anyone having a conversation on an intercity bus

[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

In my country, almost any group travelling together is going to speak on a long-haul bus or train, many of them most of the time. And lots of people make loud phone calls (forbidden on most public transit but nobody enforces it: someone recorded 5 simultaneous calls from a tram once). There have to be designated quiet coupés (or open rail cars since coupés are falling out of fashion). They are experimenting with making them first-class only, very asinine given the ticket price difference and the near-zero cost 🤫🔇 stickers add to a railcar

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[-] 13igTyme@piefed.social 114 points 3 weeks ago

Japan is one of the most xenophobic countries on the planet. This is just one example.

[-] diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 3 weeks ago

Despite having population crisis and financial loses, they are still committed to xenophobia. They are master of that.

[-] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago

Sure would be a shame if they also had an abysmally low birth rate which will result in their societal collapse.

[-] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 weeks ago

Probably on my list of reasons why I don't want to visit Japan

[-] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 weeks ago

Ive been to Japan a few years ago and they always felt very friendly and welcoming. They're somewhat shy and awkward, but can't say I had any negative experience.

If you want to feel bad, go to Italy, especially Rome. Many Italians are super racist, hate tourists and are not afraid to hide it.

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[-] 20cello@lemmy.world 88 points 3 weeks ago
[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 14 points 3 weeks ago

It wasn't saying it wasn't tho

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[-] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 84 points 3 weeks ago

Google Lens tells me that the description is accurate. Even though i love japanese culture, they are racist as fuck, so i am not ever surprised.

[-] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 64 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Guess who's reading this, lol

Anyway, this is blatantly ~~racism~~ xenophobia and don't give me the "yes but what if they don't have anyone who speaks english or chinese?" That's fair but in that case you put something that says "sorry we don't have any english speaking staff" or tell me directly but anyway, it shouldn't be that hard to order tbh, yeah i can't talk but we are in 2026 with such translation tools, i can scan, look at what it says and then point at the various menu entries with my finger, to pay i can just look at the numbers lmao

Edit: corrected racism in to xenophobia

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

“Lmao” your ability to use software to translate for you doesn’t change the intent behind this sign. Japan is racist AF despite their polite society, and there are a growing number of restaurants and other establishments with signage that outright says some version of “no foreigners/no white people.” You will probably get a frosty reception in this establishment if you enter it because you decide you were too clever to be deterred.

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[-] Uruanna@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

I mean, if the Japanese text says "if you can read this, you're welcome", it does suggest that English or Chinese people who speak and read Japanese are welcome. It's a real weird thing to pull, like they think they're being cute.

[-] SirActionSack@aussie.zone 15 points 3 weeks ago

It's kind of a meme that Japanese people think only other Japanese can speak and read Japanese.

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[-] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 44 points 3 weeks ago

Japan, where racism doesn't usually get the same criticism it does elsewhere for whatever reason..

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 33 points 3 weeks ago

Japan cast cat girl, it was super effective. All knowledge of atrocities was erased from western nations.

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[-] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 40 points 3 weeks ago

On Okinawa, the red light area routinely used to refuse "chocolate men" for being "too strong"

[-] stumu415@lemmy.zip 37 points 3 weeks ago

I have worked with a Japanese company for almost 2 years and never ever again. The racism, incompetence and ass covering is astounding. The way they treat women is also appalling but no one talks about this.

I'll never understand why western people love Japan, but vilify China. My experience in working in China is a total opposite of Japan.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 weeks ago

You found that the Chinese weren't racist or sexist? I agree with you about Japan, but China was hardly enlightened. They were mostly just louder and more obnoxious, where the Japanese were overly formal and quiet.

Both cultures also had a lot of superstitions, like words or phrases you shouldn't say, or lucky or unlucky numbers.

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[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 36 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Important to note that English is the global lingua franca.

So tourists from Mexico, Nicaragua, Sweden, Adygea, Italy, Rojava, Tajikistan, Djibouti, and Mozambique etc also use English language while visiting most foreign places.

This is NOT an "American tourists litter too much" thing.

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[-] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 34 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

My wife is southeast Asian. Going to Japan, I felt a lot of like... weird energy at times where they just kind of looked at me. I never felt unsafe, just judged. I told my wife this, who said she felt the complete opposite. People were normal to her. She blended in.

She was born and raised in the States, and we traveled to a bunch of States (fuck Missouri) where she really felt unsafe like if she didn't leave town, they would make us. And Ive shared before how we got a "Go back to your own country" from other people, and even one showing off his gun.

Do I feel like Japanese racism is uncalled for? Absolutely. Again, I never felt unsafe. So it's really interesting to see this perspective in the comments like this is the worst disgusting attitude in the world because someone snubbed them vs feeling like you're not wanted/you should leave for your own safety.

[-] JillyB@beehaw.org 35 points 3 weeks ago

I lived in Japan for 2 years. I had several expat friends with stories of going to the hospital, being told they were full, their Japanese wife showing up, and suddenly they have space. Other stories of legal disputes between a Japanese person and a foreign immigrant will always go to the Japanese person. Japanese culture is very non-confrontational, but don't think their brand of racism is safer. If we're comparing racism and deciding one is less bad than the other, we've already partially accepted that it has a place in society.

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[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 33 points 3 weeks ago

The amount if racism in Asian countries is very worrying

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 32 points 3 weeks ago

Never heard of a restaurant posting a sign on the door saying they're full.

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah that's more of a hotel thing. I'm guessing this is that influencer trick of intentionally lying about a detail so people will make comments to correct you, giving you free engagement.

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[-] shioprince@nord.pub 30 points 3 weeks ago

and yet japan is still viewed as an utopia by reddit weebs, despite japan being really racist

[-] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago

I love their trains, the food is good, it's a beautiful country.

But also, holy shit, Japan has just never reckoned with its imperial past in the slightest.

If you ever see those tourism promotion photos of mt. Fuji with a pagoda in the foreground, that pagoda was built in the 50s, around the end of the US occupation, to commemorate soldiers who fought in essentially every war that imperial Japan got itself into. It's very clear political statement.

And I learned this, upon climbing that damn mountain, and reading the plaque in front of the pagoda, only to learn that it was a monument to imperialism the whole time

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Police aren't likely to kill you over there. Just harass you if you're clubbing with their women.

[-] diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 3 weeks ago

But they can force confession out of you. Japan has one of the most conviction rates in the world..

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[-] topperharlie@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago

A couple of thoughts:

Yes, I've heard before, even from people living in Japan, that they are quite xenophobic.

Now, why is this not condemned from the west ? (I know Chinese people and they do remember WW2)

As everything several reasons:

Japan has a great propaganda machine to make their culture look cool AF: anime/manga, the mythology around temples, samurais, ninjas...

The good parts of their culture, specially in contrast to the west: the extreme politeness, how clean and organized they are, civility/safety, super good and maintained public services such transport...

The "pretend WW2 didn't happen". They were absolute monsters on WW2, way beyond the nazis, but the combination of doing a 180 towards the west and the atomic bombs made it so the west was comfortable with looking the other way while Japan conveniently forgets his war crimes (for anyone unaware search for Nanjing, be warned is a hard read, but is important not to forget)

The "pacifist xenophobia". When you go to japan their way of practicing xenophobia is quite passive, like, let's be clear, you are loud and disgusting for them, but they will never tell you that, and you are probably never going to be in danger. At least as a tourist this is 100% like this, they might even just feel introverted rather than xenophobic. From what I've heard from people living there, it gets more clear when you live, but didn't get any "I'm in danger" feeling from them, so I guess that low key discrimination is like that.

Now, not saying any of that makes it good, but I can understand why there is a different level of pushback than to the USA for example, where if you are brown and meet an angry cop or redneck (or both), you might end up dead.

I know for the fucking internet there is no such thing as grey, is either black or white, but I think the world is more nuanced than that.

BTW, for their work culture alone I would never live there, and while I like an anime or two, I'm not an otaku by any means. I did enjoy my vacation on Japan several years ago, but not more than the one on China or other Asian countries.

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[-] vathecka@lemmy.radio 24 points 3 weeks ago

If you dont have any staff who speak those languages I kinda get not wanting to provide service to people who only speak them, though it would probably be better to just say "no foreign language service available"

[-] GiantChickDicks@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 weeks ago

Is it inconvenient? Yes. Is it really that difficult, especially today with smart phones, to provide basic service at a restaurant? Absolutely not.

I spent my early life in the service industry, and I've served people who spoke zero English more times than I can count. Even before translation apps and services were so common, it truly wasn't difficult enough that I'd feel comfortable as a human denying them service. We all worked together to get through it, and they enjoyed their experience from what I could tell.

I've also been on the other end and visited restaurants where our server didn't speak English. We had a great time every time. It truly isn't the big deal you're making it, so it feels like you're looking for reasons to excuse what we can plainly see is racism.

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[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago

Meanwhile in the west:

Racism: 🤬

Racism against Asians: 😆😝🤡

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[-] bilouba@jlai.lu 20 points 3 weeks ago

Isn't it xenophobia more than racism?

[-] thomas@lemmy.ca 38 points 3 weeks ago

Japan has a very homogeneous population, so xenophobia and racism are quasi indistinguishable.

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[-] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 weeks ago

Both are bad though.

Just on a different level

[-] prenatal_confusion@feddit.org 20 points 3 weeks ago

Not race but "I am tired of tourists"-ism

[-] Dookieman12@piefed.social 33 points 3 weeks ago

"I'm not racist. I just can't stand all these fucking foreigners."

That's what you sound like.

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[-] nil@piefed.ca 17 points 3 weeks ago

Probably not worth visiting them anyways...

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