I want to say that I agree with you that Anarchists are more aligned with other leftists, which should be obvious to everyone. I want to push back on the idea we should be aligned with Authoritarians though. Even if they say they're leftist, if they aren't advocating for the people over the elites, they aren't leftist. Modern day Russia, in particular, is an incredibly conservative authoritarian oligarchy. They do not align with the left. People defending them are not on our side. As nice as some of those defending it may be, they're not being honest if you think they're leftist. This doesn't mean they're always wrong (no one is), but everything should be viewed critically first.

For context to those confused

this is a reply post to this post:
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/45960248

here's a snippet

Why demote Kittenzrulz123? Kittenzrulz has consistently been opposed to the condemnation of tankies and has made several worrying statements that show that there's a deep ideological gulf between her and 196.

Furthermore it should be noted that kittenzrulz has not taken part in moderation decisions on lemmy for months, while she is only somewhat active on the matrix (as a mod). This will not be a major change in that sense.

to me, this just seems like a very respectful split between spaces that have different goals

Extremism should not be tolerated nor allowed to infect legitimate discourse.

Anyone who is supporting or defending authoritarianism and dictatorships is an extremist in my eyes. Authoritarian apologists and those who downplay or handwave away acts of genocide and tyranny are extremist in my eyes.

Stating that it's "hostile" to exclude such viewpoints is not a good faith position to take in my opinion. I'm tired of extremists on both ends of the spectrum insisting that their viewpoints must be tolerated in a given community's discourse, and I'd prefer that 196 continue to keep those voices out.

If anyone considers that a "hostile" position then they're not someone I care to interact with. This isn't something I care to debate, either, so don't expect me to engage with any replies.

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/73031377

what the hell did I miss?

MY FINAL MESSAGE TO THE 196 COMMUNITY

Buuuuuuuuuuuurp 🫢 Excuse me. 😅

Hey, I don't know you and I don't know how much you depend on the Internet for your social safety net, but it might be good to take this as a cue to step back from social media a bit, at least the discussion of politics

thank you for all your work here still 🧡

that 196 explicitly puts marxism-leninism on the same level of badness as nazism and white supremacy is ridiculous and shameful. i hope the mods here can come to their senses eventually and i hope your interactions with them weren't too hostile...

good luck with your new community! i've subscribed 🧡

I've not been here for very long and I don't intend to voice my opinion on anything, but I want to say this: The way you and the other mods are handling this drama is so refreshingly mature for an online space. With the Tesseract thing and the various tantrums being thrown in its wake still fresh on our minds, the way you're leaving is incredibly graceful. So, all the best to you, kind stranger.

What did i miss?

Then the tesseract situation happened, and that truly opened my eyes. They did not see any difference between Anarchists, Communists, general leftists, or even just Queer people and minorities. It became clear to me that people like them view all of us through the same lens of hostility and anger. So I asked the question: if they see us all as the same, then why must we keep fighting? Just as we were all attacked on that day, the communists made noise to defend the anarchists. Despite how hostile we have been to them, they were more than willing to forgive and forget (I suspect they still are).

Hah just want to add that this argument is what made me go vegan lol. They were using techniques and machinery from animal ag during the holocaust in the work camps for instance. To the capitalists keeping us alive is just an expenditure that needs to be minimised, human or non-human matters only insofar as what they can use. If a disabled person is less useful to them than a chicken then guess who goes into the gas chamber? They don't make a distinction between profit from a human or profit from a non-human so why should I? I recognise this line of thinking very well because of that, finding yourself lumped in with others as the designated enemy makes one look at those who are also considered enemies in a completely different light.

also btw i just saw the other post, explaining the reasoning. uhm i feel like i should say something about it for some reason. first of all i'm really sorry for you. i know how it feels like to be kicked out of a community that you thought were your friends all of a sudden (has happened to me. sucked). i just really want to give you a hug rn. also, don't take the ideological differences too serious. we're all humans and that's what matters. i hope that you can find a way forward in life that makes you stay human. that's all.

From an outsider’s perspective, this all seems like it was handled in a very reasonable and adult manner, which I very much appreciate. For folks (like me) on other instances, the link !libertyhub@lemmy.dbzer0.com should make it easier to join your new community.

I don't really have time to read all of the screenshots, so were they actually defending tankies? Or was it just defending communism? Because I'm generally fine with many communist ideals, but supporting the actions of authoritarian regimes is a nono in my book.