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submitted 3 hours ago by Quokka@quokk.au to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

As part of the devs farewell message on their site, they have included malicious code to make each visitor sends 2,000 requests to the dbzer0 servers in an attempt to DDOS and take the instance offline.

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[-] QuentinCallaghan@sopuli.xyz 8 points 36 minutes ago

I could understand hardcoded blacklists if Tesseract were meant as a frontend for a Lemmy instance tailored for a specific purpose, and not intended for general use. But this, to DDOS a website because the developer is a whiny baby who can't take criticism? This is a new low. This is disgusting, and damaging for the Lemmyverse as whole.

[-] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 8 points 41 minutes ago

I still don't know what Tesseract is and now I guess I don't need to care.

[-] Lanske@lemmy.world 2 points 6 minutes ago
[-] oce@jlai.lu 22 points 1 hour ago

I could understand his initial intention of having some kind of nsfw filter for radical opinions, even though the implementation was questionable. And I was honestly sad about the shit storm that hit him. Too many people here pretend to be more respectful and empathetic than average, but will happily dogpile to get a piece of a person given the right momentum.
But this ddos code is hard to defend, it goes against his own initial intention. He should have walked away before reaching this point.
Can we avoid adding new events to this sad chain of events now?

[-] grue@lemmy.world 15 points 52 minutes ago* (last edited 52 minutes ago)

even though the implementation was questionable

The implementation was not questionable. The implementation was blatantly nefarious and he fucking knew it, because why else would he have tried to hide it?

[-] EatMyPixelDust 8 points 30 minutes ago

Why would you even want to defend him? Sneaking in a blocklist like that is not the behaviour of a normal person. There is nothing defensible here.

[-] ILikeTraaaains@lemmy.world 23 points 1 hour ago

Radical opinions such as supporting trans people or being against genocide.

[-] fonix232@fedia.io 8 points 1 hour ago

Centrists ARE usually clueless enough to blend things together as such...

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 3 points 24 minutes ago

Centrists are almost always right wingers who try and avoid the right wing label.

[-] oce@jlai.lu 4 points 1 hour ago

I think he explained the trans related instances were not blocked because trans but because their admins did not moderate the calls for violence he wanted to filter.

[-] ILikeTraaaains@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

Didn’t the call for violence happened to be just a mod from another instance that had “death to zionism” that stepped down after he was called out?

[-] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 54 minutes ago

That's roughly what I remember: the threats were against "zionists" or "genociders" or similar, not any particular user by name, but this guy basically told on himself by interpreting it personally anyway.

(It's possible I'm unaware of other, more egregious, behavior as the situation escalated, but I think this was at least the thing that started the pearl-clutching initially.)

[-] YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 29 minutes ago

Blahaj does remove calls to violence imo. He had additional petty reasons like how blahaj gave A.N. an endorsement saying "well-moderated" after the previous A.N. admin in question was no longer an admin.

[-] Azzu@leminal.space 3 points 15 minutes ago* (last edited 14 minutes ago)

it goes against his own initial intention

It goes against his initial stated intention.

Just because he said something doesn't mean it's the truth. The way he acted about it initially and the way he acts now makes it blatantly obvious that his actual initial intentions were always nefarious, and he simply lied about his intentions to get sympathy like you're giving him.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 3 points 32 minutes ago

Almost like they were full of shit ftom the get go

[-] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 8 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 59 minutes ago)

While a toxicity filter for normies as an onboarding tool is not the worst idea in the world, the implementation was. But even beyond that, the blocklist was so clearly going way above and beyond "sanding off the rough edges" and straight into just "I'm going to block everything I personally dislike". Wholesome Yuri is like, the opposite of toxic but that whole community was blocked. As was using "🥺👉👈".

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 12 points 1 hour ago

I was suspecting this guy might be a fed just because of their actions, but this crashout has proven me wrong, he was doing it for free.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 9 points 44 minutes ago

This person is most likely mentally ill. I tried to point out a bunch of weird shit that the dubvee instance was doing two or three years ago. I was mostly ignored and made to feel like I was crazy. So I just dropped it and tried to block and ignore anything from Dubvee on my own clients. So it’s quite vindicating to see this asshole get totally blown up for days now all over the fediverse. But also kind of tiring, like we’re reverting back to bean memes just to get a break from this drama.

[-] Solrac@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

You know, I think this whole situation could've been boiled down to just make an instance and defederate, instead we got the FediKaren of the year with their silly obscured list and petty shoddy ahh ddos script.

[-] Zomg@piefed.world 2 points 17 minutes ago

Just say ass, you can curse on the internet

[-] Embargo@lemmy.zip 147 points 3 hours ago

I don't think I've ever witnessed someone going so hard off the rails. It's been an entertaining few days really.

[-] fartsparkles@lemmy.world 64 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

It’s what happens when someone with underdeveloped empathy gets caught doing something they know is wrong, resulting in emotional overload.

It’s textbook toddler tantrum.

With stunted empathy, people seeking an explanation and apology are met with increasingly greater resistance.

And like textbook, they claim to be the victim. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are lying about receiving death threats.

What’s crazy is they could have simply:

  • Apologised
  • Explained the intent to reduce toxicity
  • Agreed there was a lack of transparency
  • Refactored their existing “enable toxicity mode” feature into a clearer, toggleable blocklist feature

But no. They were caught while they were secretly trying to play internet dictator and refused to empathise with others that were hurt and shocked to find out a tool they were using was receiving undisclosed payloads to use to censor communities and individuals.

I strongly implore everyone to leave this developer alone. Jokingly asking to be added to the list etc empowers them to continue to play the victim. They do not deserve attention.

[-] mathemachristian 7 points 1 hour ago

Refactored their existing “enable toxicity mode” feature into a clearer, toggleable blocklist feature

No! The whole point of the fediverse is not to have centralised blocklists. Having blocklists baked in to the code, especially ones that get updated in a centralised manner with no accountability and without telling users they're on it is absolutely antithetical to the platform and one of the main reasons why people are leaving reddit and coming here. If you want to curate the experience of a user in that manner, what you do is open an instance and advertise it as such. That way people can, at least on lemmy, know where they're banned from without having to dive into the code or pull API endpoints manually. In fact how a lemmy instance federates and how it curates this experience is one of the distinguishing features among the instances. You have instances like lemmy.zip that federate all that will have them, instances like hexbear that are very quick to defederate in order to keep a safe-space and instances like blahaj that are somewhere between.

A front-end (or any piece of code that is made for being deployed on multiple instances) should be agnostic to all of this. It's up to the admins of the instances and not the devs to curate and this is one of the main reasons why I don't trust the piefed dev. Sure you can disable whatever, but that still means that an admin has to do work in order to get to a neutral place from where they can then curate.

[-] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 50 minutes ago)

What’s crazy is they could have simply:

  • Apologised
  • Explained the intent to reduce toxicity
  • Agreed there was a lack of transparency
  • Refactored their existing “enable toxicity mode” feature into a clearer, toggleable blocklist feature

Yes, I think there is genuinely an audience for what he was doing (or something akin to it), and it would genuinely have been a useful onboarding tool for getting a certain type of person to consider dipping their toes in the Fediverse.

But first of all it absolutely has to be separated from the safety/anti-spam filters. Bundling it with those is very malicious.

Second it must be opt-in.

Third, it must clearly say somewhere that "this anti-toxic setting is a curated block list based on my personal preferences". There should then have been an option to use a personal blocklist instead of the developer default.

And fourth, I guess ideally this type of filter should maybe have been maintained by a somewhat more... well-balanced individual.

[-] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 9 points 1 hour ago

Honestly, I can see a "curated" list of user/instance bans as a feature, similar to unlock. But let people chose them.

[-] Xerxos@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 minutes ago

If he had just implemented the list as a default that anyone could edit, he would have gotten pretty much what he wanted. I mean, some people would have edited the list, some would have deleted the list, but most people are lazy or uninformed and would have simply accepted the default.

[-] amio@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

Refactored their existing “enable toxicity mode” feature into a clearer, toggleable blocklist feature

Not sure this would help in itself, even though more flexible blocking would ironically be nice. The value in such a list lies in how it's curated, and the guy is still certifiable and about 3yo mentally, tops.

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[-] gnufuu@lemmy.ca 63 points 3 hours ago

In case somebody wanted confirmation. Maybe don't visit the page with Javascript enabled.

[-] egrets@lemmy.world 32 points 2 hours ago

And that full text, also to avoid extra visits:

You crazies won and proved me wrong. The fediverse isn't worth saving after all.

Over the course of the last several days, I have received a constant stream of harassing messages, death threats, and threats of doxxing over DM, Matrix, Github, and Codeberg. All of it instigated and eggged on by another instance's top admin. This is unacceptable for all of the reasons in the world, and while I won't give you the personal satisfaction of having won, you've definitely proven me wrong about the fediverse being something that even can be saved from itself.

Even people around here I'd interacted with positively for years and had grown to respect because they seemed level headed and above the immature and sociopathic bullshit that dominates this platform showed their true selves. That completely shattered any and all illusions I had that this place has a hidden core of users that I should try to make more visible amongst all the rage, rage baiting, propaganda, harassment, rumor mongering, trolls, conspiracies, purity testing, witch hunts, and violent rhetoric.

Like many of the rational people before me who called this place home, I'm done with this place.

I tried to carve out a space where those people and other rougher edges were not drowning out niche communities and hobbies and where people who choose to use the platform to harass others were also out of sight, out of mind. Apparently only three people who aren't me actually want a place that's not just a circle-jerk of rage and hate. Thus sayeth the mob.

Then you have entire instances whose admins call for the death of others, harass other users, and lead harassment, brigading, and DARVO campaigns against those who dare call out their bullshit or decide to disassociate themselves and their work from them.

Lemmy.World was so close to doing the right thing after instance-that-will-not-be named's admins were calling for the death of LW's admins while spreading rumours and labeling others in such a way that painted them as targets for murder. All of that, mind you, with absoultey no evidence other than specuation and their own cooked-up conspiracies about modlog actions or taking and twisting things wildly out of context to fit their made-up narratives so they had someone to say they 'caught' and should be killed.

.world was on the precipice of doing the right thing and disaccociating themselves from that psychotic shit show, but silently dropped the issue and carried on as usual after wringing their hands for maybe two weeks.

"We have to worry about the optics or the politics of it." they probably said.

Bullshit.

I'm one person and have held my fucking ground, mostly with dignity and grace, in the heat of my own shitstorm of trying to disaccociate from the extremist elements of the fediverse. If I can stand up for what's right and deal with the blowback, so can you.

Fuck lemmy world's admin team for condoning that behavior and letting the human skidmark db0 DARVO his way out of the situation while brigading with his army of malcontents whom he wields like a cult leader. He knows exactly what he is doing, and you all continue to allow him to get away with it.

Nah, fuck this whole place. I've let too many things fall by the wayside IRL because of dealing with all this fediverse bullshit and trying to give it the slightest bit of polish both visually and atmospherically. Mythbusters may have proven that you can, in fact, polish a turd, but at the end of the day, it's still a shiny ball of shit.

For the few people left who didn't turn out to be psychotic, I'll think of you from time to time when recalling something you've posted or commented that genuinely made me laugh, made me think, or otherwise put a smile on my face or in my heart.

Everyone else, though, enjoy your toxic, xenophobic, knee-jerk-to-violence, purity-testing, and harassing-anyone-who-doesn't-fall-in-line cess pit. One day you, too, will do or say something that doesn't toe the line and you'll be right where I am.

P.S. Rimu, you owe me a beer. No one is talking about the Piefed vote quotas anymore, so you're welcome.

[-] dabaldeagul@feddit.nl 5 points 40 minutes ago

All of that, mind you, with absoultey no evidence other than specuation and their own cooked-up conspiracies about modlog actions or taking and twisting things wildly out of context to fit their made-up narratives so they had someone to say they 'caught' and should be killed.

"We have to worry about the optics or the politics of it." they probably said.

I lol'ed

[-] Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 hour ago

The disconnect from reality is insane. They completely ignore why people got mad and make up imaginary reasons for why they got the hate while painting themselves like some hero trying to stand for us but getting betrayed in return. It's both hilarious and sad. I hope that they will have time for self reflection once they get off the threadiverse and become a better person but I don't have much expectations given how deep they are into the delusion.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

Expert dev. Doesn't even know the attribute for setting the language in the script tag is type, not lang. Not to mention that you are encouraged to omit the attribute altogether if the script tag contains JavaScript...

Petty, and a bad dev. Big yikes.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 46 minutes ago

To be fair, it's not as if it supports languages other than fucking Javascript anyway, so it mostly doesn't matter.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 17 minutes ago

The type attribute is not only to specify the language. It's like one case out of several. It definitely matters in those contexts where you want to do the other things you can do with the type attribute.

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 21 points 2 hours ago

What an actual manchild

People who are actually done don't write several essays in a week and set up targeted DDoS

Imagine having such an oversized ego to think that your views are the only correct ones, and then that it's your duty to enforce them on others in clandestine ways.

Particularly when those views are ultimately not much more developed than those you'd expect a child to hold

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago

Considering the guy had a list of what looked like 1k+ users being blocked, which honestly confuses me how he managed to get that many users together. I don't even remember most of the users comments after each post, let alone the massive list he had. His ego must be massive to create a curated list like that, which means he took issue with each one of us on that list or built a script that created it based from trigger words from our posts and comments... either way it's not a good look.

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[-] khannie@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

whatthefuck.gif

[-] tanisnikana@lemmy.world 28 points 2 hours ago

He didn’t like my photography so he put me on the list.

[-] Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 7 points 1 hour ago

Did you learn your lesson?

(I like the chandelier one, nice misty contrast and off centre composition)

[-] mathemachristian 16 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I tried to carve out a space where those people and other rougher edges were not drowning out niche communities and hobbies and where people who choose to use the platform to harass others were also out of sight, out of mind. Apparently only three people who aren’t me actually want a place that’s not just a circle-jerk of rage and hate. Thus sayeth the mob.

100% that dude was running an op. If you want to "carve out" such a space, that would be an instance for the "non-crazies" where all "those people and other rougher edges were not drowning out niche communities and hobbies" were banned or filtered out. You can block and filter however you want on your instance. In fact that is one of the expectation one has of an instance and how one chooses an instance. I chose blahaj because of how the admins, you know, administrate and curate the instance. Writing a front-end and smuggling in a blocklist via other commits (no commit message ever acknowledged the blocklist as it was being built afaik) and having a central point of truth for what and who gets filtered is not how you "carve out" a space, it's how you try to shape discourse on an entire platform.

That DDOS attempt is him being extremely mad at db0 for thwarting this before his front-end became the de-facto standard for power-users, especially mods and admins.

.world was on the precipice of doing the right thing and disaccociating themselves from that psychotic shit show, but silently dropped the issue and carried on as usual after wringing their hands for maybe two weeks.

Oh yeah they just silently dropped it, they still owe db0 an apology for throwing all this shit at them right immediately after the nazi allegation got debunked.

I’m one person and have held my fucking ground, mostly with dignity and grace, in the heat of my own shitstorm of trying to disaccociate from the extremist elements of the fediverse.

You already had ragequit the fediverse last year remember? This is just lolcow behavior at this point.

P.S. Rimu, you owe me a beer. No one is talking about the Piefed vote quotas anymore, so you’re welcome.

I sometimes do wonder what goes on in the matrix rooms around the fediverse lol. Seems like someone fell out of favor with even the most liberal of the anti-tankies.

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