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How’d she die? Execution? Bombing?
Death by Hamas
That’s not very specific. If they executed her, wouldn’t they want to say that. So, I can only presume it’s from an Israeli bombing.
Not that that's a big leap to make, you're just blowing smoke out your ass.
I looked at 5-10 articles to find cause of death. Israeli officials aren’t releasing it. My presumption could be wrong. Why not release the cause of death? 🤔
Edit: One article did say rescue workers found her. Just saying…
I don’t think this girl or her grandma went to Gaza of their own accord. Bringing people into an area you’re going to make a war zone after an attack still makes you at fault for their death.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that understands Israel’s role in her death.
If a bunch of Hamas terrorists drag a 12 year old into the path of an incoming bombardment, they're still the ones responsible for that death.
Someone ordered the bombing. They’re to blame. Should we go back to the Nakba, the Balfour Declaration and the British mandate? Or are we aiming for the Garden of Eden and original sin? Let’s take the philosophical route and delve into the origins of human nature. Maybe she’s still alive in another universe. The inability for some to see the context of history and the cause and effect that occurs limits my hope for humanity. We have the ability to seek and learn knowledge, but choose not to, based on some indoctrinated belief system that was neither designed or chosen by the vast majority. God works in mysterious ways.
Hamas started the war and hid in cities, trying to make sure enough civilians were around that Israel had trouble retaliating after they launched their rockets at civilians. They're genocidal terrorists who are religious fanatics. I'm gonna blame them for their hostage dying. If you aren't, that's a you problem.
Hamas started the war
Revisionist history
You can either insist there's been a consistent conflict since 1948, which was started by the Arabs, or you can mark the beginning of the current conflict at the massive terrorism attack by Hamas this year. Take your pick.
What a shame. You limit your understanding of this conflict.
It's just reality, man
Sure, reality.
Why are you guys never coming up with a source that shows the opposite? Who started this war in your opinion? Was it Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Saudi Arabia and Sudan? Because they sure as shit startet a war one day after Israel was declared a state in this region.
On 14 May 1948, the day before the expiration of the British Mandate, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, declared "the establishment of a Jewish state in Eretz-Israel, to be known as the State of Israel."[167][168] The only reference in the text of the Declaration to the borders of the new state is the use of the term Eretz-Israel ("Land of Israel").[169] The following day, the armies of four Arab countries—Egypt, Syria, Transjordan and Iraq—entered into parts of what had been British Mandatory Palestine, launching the 1948 Arab–Israeli War;[170][171][172] contingents from Yemen, Morocco, Saudi Arabia and Sudan joined the war.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel
And this pretty much looks like Israel likely did not start this war or this conflict and had to fight for their existence from day one. I'm not saying that everything they're doing is acceptable or that they are not fueling this war too, but I pretty much understand that they are in a life or death situation since from the very beginning.
And to all possible Downvoters: instead of just downvoting me, please try to explain the issues with my conclusion or come up with some other sources if I missed something.
pro hamas ppl will downvote you. people have already taken their stance
Who is pro hamas? No one is. However people are anti-genocide, mainly the Palestinian genocide happening right now. Sane people just want peace.
If you want peace, talk to Hamas. They started this war. If they surrender to Israeli authorities, the war will end.
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Try rereading history from a non-western perspective so you can put yourself in a Palestinian’s shoes. As Israel was established, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were expelled against their will. Villages were massacred and burned. Source. Why does it matter who started the war? Israel, as it was established, should have never happened the way it did. A minority population should never be given more land than the majority. Jews could have been given land in Palestine and coexisted, but the west and the UN were hellbent on creating a state of Israel.
But they did create the state and Israel exists and part of the Nakba happend also after the war that took more land of them because Israel won, what I find quite understandable.
And I would also say that they all had enough time to fucking accept it and move on, most certainly better then to throw generations in war about the Middle East...
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But acting like Israel's carpet bombing of Gaza is like a force of nature is weird as well, no? The way you say it, it sounds like Hamas took the hostages into the path of a Hurricane. Was it so clear to everyone that Israel wouldn't give a shit about the hostages and would be bombing Gaza indiscriminately?
If Israel was carpet bombing Gaza, we would have a million dead civilians now. I don't know why y'all need to make shit up.
There's more than 3.5k palestine death caused by israeli indiscriminately bombing. Having less than what you expect doesn't make them any hero
I love how no one in this thread cares about all the Palestinian children that died in those bombings, and probably still more are dying. None of these killings are justified, it's all horrible. The only thing we should be considering is peace, but I see barely any of you doing that. (If it wasn't obvious, I'm not directing this message towards you, just all of the down voting losers)
The logic of war crime apologist is weird.
Yep, and they keep down voting because they don't have any real tangible arguments to make.
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Well maybe israel shouldn't bomb the area and focus on saving the hostage like everyone have told them, she wouldn't be dead
So, you want a full blown ground invasion of Gaza.
Is genocide the only thing you can think of?
you said you wanted them to stop bombing. The next step would be a ground invasion.
Would that cause less civilian casualty?
I don't think anyone knows for sure.
Full stop, it's always the one who sent the missle who kills the person and is responsible. It's always up to them to verify that civilians aren't around the target. Isreal doesn't care about childrens being a victim of their attacks.
Oh?
So, if I shoot at you and hide behind a child, it is your fault for defending yourself? Not mine for TAKING A HOSTAGE?
If I shoot back while you're behind that child, it shows how little I care about the child, or at the very least conflicting priorities.
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So what you're telling us is that both sides have equal blame in this terrorist attack that took the lives of so many civilians?
I can agree with that, it's reasonable
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I'm sorry, is Gaza doing a bombing campaign on itself? Hamas is horrible, but bombing hostages and civilians is not the right play here. All of you calling these bombings justified don't want peace or justice, you want revenge. And that revenge costs more innocent people's lives.
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Can we all at least agree that it's flaccid-dicked small men on both sides, and other old men with shriveled balls benefiting off of it from the sidelines?
Anyone who thinks that escalating this thing with more guns will solve anything hasn't read a single paragraph of history. It can only make things worse. All Hamas did with their bombing was give the Israeli regime casus belli to commit whatever atrocities they want, and in turn Netanyahu's fuckboys carpet bombing Gaza is just radicalizing everyone there for the next generation. It's not too late to ramp this down before it pulls in the rest of the region, but we also have western arms manufacturers pushing every government to send our guns and bombs over. The machine of war doesn't like being slowed down once you allow it to get moving again.
Trying to place blame for any one atrocity at this point is like pissing on a campfire when the forest behind you is on fire.
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You've mistaken Lemmy for Twitter. That's where you post made up shit.
Not true, at all. There are so many instances calling it lemmy is disengenuous and reductive. Furthermore I see. SO MANY PEOPLE posting their feelings as facts, “Lemmy” is not immune to morons
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Probably bombing. They've almost certainly spread the hostages around their most secure military areas to both make it hard for anyone to come get them back and to make them causalities of Israeli attacks against Hamas infrastructure. I doubt they were executed; Hamas kidnapped them for a reason beyond killing them, they could have just slaughtered them with everyone else.
You’re making too much sense. And if it was a bombing that would make Israel look bad. So, I’m gonna choose to believe that Hamas tied them up so they could rape them before executing and be heading them. /s
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