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I’m glad I’m not the only one that understands Israel’s role in her death.
If a bunch of Hamas terrorists drag a 12 year old into the path of an incoming bombardment, they're still the ones responsible for that death.
Someone ordered the bombing. They’re to blame. Should we go back to the Nakba, the Balfour Declaration and the British mandate? Or are we aiming for the Garden of Eden and original sin? Let’s take the philosophical route and delve into the origins of human nature. Maybe she’s still alive in another universe. The inability for some to see the context of history and the cause and effect that occurs limits my hope for humanity. We have the ability to seek and learn knowledge, but choose not to, based on some indoctrinated belief system that was neither designed or chosen by the vast majority. God works in mysterious ways.
Hamas started the war and hid in cities, trying to make sure enough civilians were around that Israel had trouble retaliating after they launched their rockets at civilians. They're genocidal terrorists who are religious fanatics. I'm gonna blame them for their hostage dying. If you aren't, that's a you problem.
Revisionist history
You can either insist there's been a consistent conflict since 1948, which was started by the Arabs, or you can mark the beginning of the current conflict at the massive terrorism attack by Hamas this year. Take your pick.
What a shame. You limit your understanding of this conflict.
It's just reality, man
Sure, reality.
Why are you guys never coming up with a source that shows the opposite? Who started this war in your opinion? Was it Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Saudi Arabia and Sudan? Because they sure as shit startet a war one day after Israel was declared a state in this region.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel
And this pretty much looks like Israel likely did not start this war or this conflict and had to fight for their existence from day one. I'm not saying that everything they're doing is acceptable or that they are not fueling this war too, but I pretty much understand that they are in a life or death situation since from the very beginning.
And to all possible Downvoters: instead of just downvoting me, please try to explain the issues with my conclusion or come up with some other sources if I missed something.
pro hamas ppl will downvote you. people have already taken their stance
Who is pro hamas? No one is. However people are anti-genocide, mainly the Palestinian genocide happening right now. Sane people just want peace.
If you want peace, talk to Hamas. They started this war. If they surrender to Israeli authorities, the war will end.
Then why did Palestinians die in West Bank? Where there is no Hamas? The Israeli government is blaming all Palestinians and won't stop even if they surrendered.
There are militant groups in the West Bank which have been participating in hostilities.
Gee, you’re interminable. I hope you’re trolling, otherwise I feel sorry for how misinformed you are. Uncle Cletus may not be the best person to get info about Palestinian history.
Try rereading history from a non-western perspective so you can put yourself in a Palestinian’s shoes. As Israel was established, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were expelled against their will. Villages were massacred and burned. Source. Why does it matter who started the war? Israel, as it was established, should have never happened the way it did. A minority population should never be given more land than the majority. Jews could have been given land in Palestine and coexisted, but the west and the UN were hellbent on creating a state of Israel.
But they did create the state and Israel exists and part of the Nakba happend also after the war that took more land of them because Israel won, what I find quite understandable.
And I would also say that they all had enough time to fucking accept it and move on, most certainly better then to throw generations in war about the Middle East...
That was a ramble.
But acting like Israel's carpet bombing of Gaza is like a force of nature is weird as well, no? The way you say it, it sounds like Hamas took the hostages into the path of a Hurricane. Was it so clear to everyone that Israel wouldn't give a shit about the hostages and would be bombing Gaza indiscriminately?
If Israel was carpet bombing Gaza, we would have a million dead civilians now. I don't know why y'all need to make shit up.
There's more than 3.5k palestine death caused by israeli indiscriminately bombing. Having less than what you expect doesn't make them any hero
I love how no one in this thread cares about all the Palestinian children that died in those bombings, and probably still more are dying. None of these killings are justified, it's all horrible. The only thing we should be considering is peace, but I see barely any of you doing that. (If it wasn't obvious, I'm not directing this message towards you, just all of the down voting losers)
The logic of war crime apologist is weird.
Yep, and they keep down voting because they don't have any real tangible arguments to make.
I do care about both the Palestinian and Israeli victims of Hamas's actions. I'm just blaming the party responsible.
The Israeli government keeps Palestinians in an open air prison, turning on and off their utilities and their trade routes at will. Anyone would retaliate against those conditions. And then they punish all Palestinians by tossing bombs at them with no regard to who's under them.
Gaza isn't a prison, dude. And they are free to develop their own utility sources.
Sounds like they should do something about Hamas.
According to Hamas, there is that many dead.
Well maybe israel shouldn't bomb the area and focus on saving the hostage like everyone have told them, she wouldn't be dead
So, you want a full blown ground invasion of Gaza.
Is genocide the only thing you can think of?
you said you wanted them to stop bombing. The next step would be a ground invasion.
Would that cause less civilian casualty?
I don't think anyone knows for sure.
Full stop, it's always the one who sent the missle who kills the person and is responsible. It's always up to them to verify that civilians aren't around the target. Isreal doesn't care about childrens being a victim of their attacks.
Oh?
So, if I shoot at you and hide behind a child, it is your fault for defending yourself? Not mine for TAKING A HOSTAGE?
If I shoot back while you're behind that child, it shows how little I care about the child, or at the very least conflicting priorities.
And what happens when the person hiding behind that child is shooting at other children? You do the best you can, but sometimes, shit happens.
You're still just as much as enemy of that hostage as the hostage taker is.
The missle was miles away, no one was in danger when it was sent except the literal person that it killed (and a bunch of civilians that probably had nothing to do with it, half of them statistically children)
When there is a hostage situation, the cops don't bomb the whole building even when shot at. Any hostage death directly caused by an officer is a complete and utter failure.
I reject your rhetoric. Your analogy is clearly not apt and still points to unacceptable behavior.
Isreal does not care about the hostages, they do not care about the civilians and children casualties. They are killing swaths of people to steal land, to cleanse whole towns ethnically and to "teach" Hamas a lesson.
I'm constantly surprised how easy it is for certain people to cheer on genocide and mass murder. You should be ashamed.
So what you're telling us is that both sides have equal blame in this terrorist attack that took the lives of so many civilians?
I can agree with that, it's reasonable
Don’t put words in my mouth if you want to seem reasonable.