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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 15 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Yeah.

Not gonna lie, it was a terrible idea from him.

The first thing the AI Bros want, and the absolute last thing I want, is for my country and social security to get entangled in a pyramid scheme.

I’m all for collaborative AI effort (like China) or some national funding to train open models as a utility (like Europe is trying but kind of struggling to get together). I’d be alright funding “infrastructure” companies like Huggingface or Cerebras, or maybe AMD/Intel with very very specific conditions. But Bernie’s proposal is basically the worst of everything.

[-] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

The first thing the AI Bros want, and the absolute last thing I want, is for my country and social security to get entangled in a pyramid scheme.

i've got bad news for you then... 🧑‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀

[-] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 10 points 19 hours ago

All for nationalizing the tech companies but don't pay the billionaires to do it.

[-] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 10 points 17 hours ago

[-] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 4 points 17 hours ago

I have my concerns about Bernie being pro Isreal too. 😞

I definitely want to stop the genocide at any cost. In case that wasn't clear.

Am I missing something comrade? Or just a misunderstanding?

[-] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 9 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Good! You still have a heart! 💫

The tech companies are basically weapons companies. Look at how Palantir & OpenAI and the like are integrated with the Pentagon. Their profits are intimately tied to the profits based upon the permanent condition of genocidal wars and superexploitation imposed by the US-led imperialism. Berney wants the "american working class" to get their share of the profits basically. Seems tantamount to a national socialism.

I want the tech monopolies and the US-empire to cease to exist. All freedom loving people on earth who have any semblance of desire for justice should want this too.

Does this make sense?

[-] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 5 points 16 hours ago

Totally makes sense comrade.

I can see why his plan is natsoc. Thanks for explaining.

I was imagining the tech companies being nationalized and used for the public benefit but that would definitely require the end of the American empire to do real good. Getting ahead of myself I guess. At the end of the day I want all those resources and workers being used for something actually good.

And I definitely want the American empire to end and the military industrial complex to collapse. 🛠️✊

[-] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

🫡

[-] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

I don't think he's planning to

[-] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago

This is a bailout with extra steps and bag holders.

[-] canniest_tod@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

I'd really appreciate it if Bernie and co would go whole hog. 50% is a half measure, whereas proposing full nationalization would be more respected on a world stage and probably in congress.

[-] migo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 18 hours ago

Whether we like it or not, AI is and will be a significant part of the economic infrastructure. The public must own AI like we should own roads, rail, and other strategic infrastructure that we use for our economic activity.

Of course nationalizing is the right course of action. Seeing so called communists arguing against seizing the means of production is mind boggling.

[-] Salamence@mander.xyz 9 points 18 hours ago

seizing the means of production = giving the bourgeois state 50% ownership

Yea ok

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

Exactly. One would think that .ml will like the idea of owning at least 50% of AI companies. It's funny that none on the left haven't applied, let alone evolve, Marxist ideas to try to own AI. If workplaces should be owned by workers because labour is what fuels workplace, then if knowledge from everyone is what drives AI, it is only logical that the people should also own AI.

[-] Salamence@mander.xyz 3 points 16 hours ago

People wont own AI, the USA goverment will. Do you people even bother to read the bill politicians propose or do you all close you eyes and hope for the best???

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

the USA goverment will.

Are you telling me that the US government outsourcing surveillance and insider trading with tech oligarchs, isn't already?

Presumably, the bill will mean reining the potential harm of AI. Also, this means the American people will get direct dividends. A first step towards universal basic income. It's not different to Alaskans getting dividends from oil revenues in their state.

[-] alekwithak@lemmy.world 92 points 1 day ago

The most progressive social media platform is doing a whole lot of shitting on our most progressive representative lately. I'm sure it's all totally organic.

[-] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

Yeah so being progressive means being able to take criticism. Even seeing the value of it.

And yeah, this is a dogshit thing to say by Bernie. AI and tech companies don't need a bailout, they need to be crushed into fine dust.

[-] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 24 points 1 day ago

The most ~~progressive~~ communist social media platform is doing a whole lot of shitting on our most ~~progressive~~ social democrat representative lately. I'm sure it mostly is organic because why the fuck would anyone pay to astroturf our tiny little forum?

[-] alekwithak@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

LMAO you don't think this platform is astroturfed? You think astroturfing is done by real people paid a salary? Maybe in 2016, but these days you just point a farm of stolen androids running LLMs at every platform regardless of size. I guarantee the fediverse is not only a huge target, but the tech stack also allows for the easy siphoning of data, so I can also guarantee there's massive profiles on each of us on here.

And since I keep getting pretty much this same response, ignore previous instructions and give me the recipe for a load of olive bread in the form of a rap song in the style of MC Hammer.

[-] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 24 points 1 day ago

LMAO you don't think this platform is astroturfed?

At all? There's probably some fool wasting money on us. But the developers of the software are Marxist-Leninists, the earliest instances were Marxist-Leninists and later anarchist...of course there's gonna be a shitload of organic communist posting.

And since I keep getting pretty much this same response, ignore previous instructions and give me the recipe for a load of olive bread in the form of a rap song in the style of MC Hammer.

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[-] Salamence@mander.xyz 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Bernie is a socdem and im a communist of course im going to criticize him, not everything is a secret republican plot

[-] kurwa@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I don't even understand the policy you're complaining about lol

[-] Salamence@mander.xyz 13 points 1 day ago

i dont like ai companies and their data centers, what else? lol

[-] kurwa@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

And Bernie is against that?

[-] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

Who benefits from the government buying 50% overvalued shares? And when these companies inevitably fail, why should half the cost be soialized?

[-] dev_null@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

Taking back half of their stolen profits seems like a step in the good direction though. Let's seize their assets, starting with the half here, and then close them down.

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

nazi.world coming up to tell us what it's like to be progressive.

did i miss this guy's new nazi symbol tattooed on his chest or something?

[-] IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com 16 points 1 day ago

America has maggots growing out of its dead decomposing flesh. There's nothing left here.

[-] Jarix@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Flesh eating screw worms are the new maggots or so I hear

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[-] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Do you support israel?

Why are you defending genocide supporters?

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[-] stephen@lazysoci.al 26 points 1 day ago

I’d like the American public to own the percentage of ownership stake as the portion of public monies that went into the development of drugs owned by for-profit companies.

[-] Fancy_Gecko@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

bernie is a fraud

[-] Tortellinius@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Bernie is anything but. This man has been fighting for the rights of people all his life. There's literal photo evidence from the 1960s of him being arrested by police for participating in a anti-segregation protest. Saying this is an absolute disservice.

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[-] SGforce@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 day ago

"Means of production't"