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[-] MissesAutumnRains 273 points 4 weeks ago

This would be enough to "radicalize me", but I don't think it's all that radical to be against a system that treats people this way.

[-] 20cello@lemmy.world 135 points 4 weeks ago

That's the point, we're not living a neutral situation, we're under attack by bad people doing disgusting jobs

[-] rayyy@piefed.social 57 points 4 weeks ago

It's us against the Epstein class, really.

[-] Soulphite@reddthat.com 59 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

It isn't. It's inhumane the way these companies are behaving. They're a threat to society and this is humans' instinctual response to eliminating threats.

We are giving thousands of dollars of our money to a company to insure that our life and health will be taken care of, it should NOT be up to these companies what methods of remedies that a person needs to be kept alive and healthy are "deemed necessary"

Furthermore; these companies CEO should NEVER be paid more than a ~~average~~ median citizen... full stop. There's no reason an insurance company employee owns a yacht.

[-] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 38 points 4 weeks ago

average citizen

Median citizen. The average is raised significantly by a few rich folks.

[-] Soulphite@reddthat.com 16 points 4 weeks ago

Great point and an even better ultimatum.

[-] radiouser@crazypeople.online 176 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)
[-] binarytobis@lemmy.world 171 points 4 weeks ago

I’ll never understand how people were OK with putting middlemen with an interest in denying care between them and lifesaving treatment.

[-] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 117 points 4 weeks ago

because apparently, the alternative is communism, and it will have death panels that will decide if you get to live in order to save costs...

[-] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 48 points 4 weeks ago

Insurance companies are deathpanels though...

[-] EggInDisguise 61 points 4 weeks ago

I believe that was their point...

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[-] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 38 points 4 weeks ago

that was my point.

they prefer real material death panels, than the alternative, because it might have theoretical death panels. that no country with public healthcare has.

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[-] bstix@feddit.dk 20 points 4 weeks ago

Insurance is worse than communism in this case.

Tax paid universal healthcare and healthcare insurance both work on the idea of socializing the cost.

The difference is that insurance companies also need to make a profit too feed the owners. Since they don't actually produce anything that can make a profit, the only place they can grab the "profit" is by denying cover.

American healthcare insurance is exactly the same picture that is shown when people try to explain why communism doesn't work.

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[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

The Acquired podcast went over this history very briefly in their Epic episode and it's so crazy how close we were to having universal healthcare.

Tl;dl:

  • during WW2, wage controls were in place due to a large demand of workers but very few people available due to being in the war
  • unions and companies alike were looking for ways to make their positions and companies more attractive.
  • government permitted benefits to augment salaries. Some companies started offering health insurance.
  • back then going to the doctor was NOT the bankrupt causing thing that is today and was considered a fringe benefit
  • larger companies were able to offer better incentives due to healthcare benefits
  • add a few years of corruption and "market forces" and you have the system we have now

So blame wage controls during WW2.

Oh and the Brits were facing similar forces when they were starting to stand up their healthcare system but decided instead to hire people to build a robust system so everyone didn't have to pay anything at the point of sale.

Yeah, it really was that simple.

[-] grranibal@lemmy.zip 21 points 4 weeks ago

I prefer to blame the people who take advantage of the sick

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[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 143 points 4 weeks ago
[-] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 104 points 4 weeks ago

Life is not medically necessary

In fact its a massive risk factor.

[-] lonefighter@sh.itjust.works 46 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I work in EMS. My advice to students and brand new EMTs is always the same: don't freak out when your patient is in cardiac arrest. Those are the easy calls. I have to keep people alive and if someone is crashing in front of me I have to figure out why and what I can try to do to stop it so they don't die. The ones that are already in cardiac arrest aren't getting any more dead, and the only outcomes are that we improve on that or we don't. We can't make them worse. Dead is the most stable condition.

Edit: That said, one of my favorite things about working in EMS is that I don't have to care about "medically necessary" or insurance companies. If I think my patient needs a treatment and it's in my protocol to give it, I give it. I don't have to ask for an insurance company's approval or get a payment method from my patients, I just get to help people.

[-] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 27 points 4 weeks ago

Imagine all medicine working that way.

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[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 18 points 4 weeks ago

It's the ultimate pre-existing condition.

[-] hansolo@lemmy.today 83 points 4 weeks ago

What's ironic is that the big opposition from the GOP to ObamaCare was this ludicrous idea of "Death Panels" weighing human life against budgets.

And yet, when the panels are a dictatorial insurance algorithm, where is that classic 2009-2010 outrage?

[-] rwtwm@feddit.uk 27 points 4 weeks ago

You probably already know but, those arguments aren't why the GOP were outraged. It's what they thought would be most likely to get the public outraged.

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[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 72 points 4 weeks ago

It's like the trolley problem, except on one track is somebody's beloved father and on the other is some executive's 5th yacht.

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[-] EatMyPixelDust 72 points 4 weeks ago

This is why we need the Mario Party

[-] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 70 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

They kill us through fraud And theft, and are surprised that we celebrated Luigi's deeds. The truth is they will only start to care when more of them start to drop. How many more millions need to die because of this BS before we're ready to bring justice down on their heads as a collective class?

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[-] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 69 points 4 weeks ago

This is flat out no different than shooting someone in my book.

This is why people are behind Luigi.

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[-] rustyfemboy 66 points 4 weeks ago
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[-] wraekscadu@vargar.org 56 points 4 weeks ago

What's the guy gonna do? Sue them? He's dead. Murdered by the capitalist authoritarians.

The only rightful place for kings is under the blade of a guillotine.

[-] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 24 points 4 weeks ago

Guillotines are too 18th century. I am a fan of woodchippers. Feet first, of course!

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[-] slaacaa@lemmy.world 56 points 4 weeks ago
[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 55 points 4 weeks ago

The family should get back every penny they've paid to that insurance company.

What the fuck are they paying them for?

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[-] popekingjoe@lemmy.world 53 points 4 weeks ago

They're really tryna create another Luigi aren't they?

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago

I suspect they've created many.

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[-] Drusas@fedia.io 52 points 4 weeks ago

He was dying. This would likely have given him more time but not stopped him from dying in the near future. To an insurance company, these results are the same except that the latter case costs them more money.

[-] Arigion@feddit.org 71 points 4 weeks ago

You are also dying in the future. So no treatment for you. It's even cheaper the sooner you die. And since you don't need money after you've died, lets make your last days so expensive that we can extract all the money from you and if possible from the rest of your family. Profit.

[-] limelight79@lemmy.world 29 points 4 weeks ago

Whoa whoa whoa. We can't just let people die until we've extracted their economic output, up to the point where the cost of the treatment exceeds expected remaining economic output.

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[-] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 43 points 4 weeks ago

Whenever an economic argument is invoked to justify for or against doing something, it’s always a vacuous position.

Economics must be subservient to the needs of the society it exists within.

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[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 41 points 4 weeks ago

Per KFF, the late Tennant was insured by the Public Employees Insurance Agency of West Virginia, which partners with UnitedHealthcare.

[-] Oofnik@kbin.earth 36 points 4 weeks ago

I checked this article and the NBC one linked in the NY Post article, and they didn't name the insurer? What the fuck are they holding water for this shitty company for?

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 45 points 4 weeks ago

In the NY Post linked article:

Per KFF, the late Tennant was insured by the Public Employees Insurance Agency of West Virginia, which partners with UnitedHealthcare. (The Post reached out to both agencies for comment.)

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[-] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 29 points 4 weeks ago

And yet it is often by law that people have to have insurance that pays them nothing when the time comes.

It is nothing short of robbery.

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[-] x3lz@lemmy.zip 23 points 4 weeks ago

This is why we have people like luigi

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[-] cheat700000007@lemmy.world 23 points 4 weeks ago

This is how the West develops suicide bombers

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 21 points 4 weeks ago

it's also how we get luigi

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[-] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago

Time to let Luigi out for a couple of days I think.

[-] MareOfNights@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 4 weeks ago

It was unlikely the proposed treatment would have sent Tennant into full remission, but the family believed it could have bought him some more time.

Does an actual doctor believe that too?

We don't have infinite resources to spend on treatment that won't actually help.

This is a slop article. No actual info on success chances, prior treatments etc.

[-] Doom@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago

OH SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH YOUR "FINITE" RESOURCES BULLSHIT. The DOCTOR recommended the treatment. The only barrier to having more time with their loved one wasn't knowledge, or skill, or reSoUCEes... It was money, a FAKE thing WE invented. You know what IS a finite resource FUCKING TIME. Our priorities as a society are so absolutely bonkers. We could have given that family more of an actual unrenewable gift that can never be replaced, restored, or generated and instead we STOLE that from them to give more of an invented thing of fictious value to the elites. Elites that have so much of it already they could never conceivable spend it.

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