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[-] Murse@slrpnk.net 89 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Fortunately voting isn't mutually exclusive to any other flavor of activism. So, unironically: yes, please do vote, as often and informed as you're able to.

Light up some billionaire's warehouse on the way home if you want, but voting is easier and safer than pretty much any offer method of driving some rapid reform, so start with voting, and take whatever other action you feel still needs to take place.

Lots of hate on voting lately... Why? Use every tool we've got.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 month ago

I mostly agree. I see nothing wrong with voting, though I understand the folks who didn't vote in the last presidential election. I don't think voting matters all that much outside of local elections but do what you will. It's getting a lot of hate rn because it has felt very ineffective at preventing fascism and people are seeking alternatives.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

What we need is labor movement power like work stoppages, but far more organizing is needed before we can do that effectively

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago

Absolutely, convincing liberals of this necessity is imperative

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[-] Murse@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 month ago

I share that frustration, but discouraging voters from showing up isn't going to help anything: focus your anger at the actual fascists, not the ballot box.

Actually achieving some meaningful reform is a complex project that requires every tool in the box. If you run into a stripped screw, don't get mad at the screwdriver for not working, but instead reach for your other tools to use alongside the driver. Might need to grab it with a vicegrip (like a general strike) or whack it with a hammer (like a molotov cocktail), but don't just discard the screwdriver - the screws aren't all stripped, and the project is a lot bigger than just the one striped screw. If the next screw is also stripped, by all means light up another, uh, hammer... but the screwdriver is the easiest and most effective option for the parts of the project that aren't already fubar.

So... advocating for alternatives when they're called for: absolutely necessary! Throwing the screwdriver away: unnecessary and critical error.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago

Unfortunately voting requires electoralist action, which takes a lot of effort and motivation from those doing it (literally year-long amount of man-hours) which absolutely is mutually exclusive with actually useful things

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[-] libre_warrior@lemmy.ml 59 points 1 month ago

For me it was how the democratic establishment used all their energy on undermining the Bernie campaigns of 2016 and 2020. They litterally would rather have fascist president than seeing change.

[-] BeardededSquidward 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Don't forgot Zoran Mamdani, they would let Bloomberg split the vote and not endorse a mayoral candidate. They'd let a Trump republican win before an avowed socialist.

[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My GF at time was a true-blue Democrat who volunteered for her party during Bernie's campaign, she was there for primaries. I told her there was NO WAY that the Ds would allow him to run for office.

After, she came home very upset, just devastated with what she had seen. She never told me what happened, she refused to talk to me about it. We were over shortly after

She stopped volunteering.

I encourage everyone to volunteer and see how things are done in local politics, it's a real eye opener

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[-] zd9@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Ain't no way the ruling elite can risk any peasants actually getting the idea of taxing billionaires and holding them accountable in other ways.

In the short term with a first past the post system, harm reduction in voting D is unfortunately the way to go, but let's not kid ourselves and think they actually want real change.

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[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 44 points 1 month ago

Remember folks, it’s always easier to break something than to build it. That’s why morons like Trump are so successful.

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[-] TotallynotJessica 34 points 1 month ago

It's even more fun when they help the fascists while attacking anyone left of Gavin Newsom.

[-] NIB@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago

The last time the Democrats controlled the presidency, senate and house was during Obama, and it was only for like 100 days. Thats how obamacare passed. And despite being very flawed, it is one of the biggest improvements in the quality of life of millions of people.

Most of the time, the Democrats cant pass shit, because young, leftist voters, dont vote.

But yeah, continue not voting, punish the not perfect Democrats, give absolute power to maga. Surely that will bring the proletariat revolution into existence.

If tens of millions of people suffer and die in the meantime, what can you do, thats the price of the revolution. Thankfully, your middle class white status shields you from the consequences of your virtue signaling.

Just the destruction of USAID will cause hundreds of of thousands of deaths, mostly in Africa. Millions of people have been imprisoned and deported. And in before "Obama was deporter in chief", 95% of Obama's deportations happened either at the border or after someone was arrested(for a different crime).

If you have a latin friend, ask them if they were afraid existing when Obama was president, in comparison to now, where people are afraid to pick up their kids from school.

[-] mr_sunburn@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's wild that you think strong democratic majorities will pass laws that help the working class when there are several states where this is the case and they don't pass significant redistributive social policies.

Why can't democratic trifecta states right now pass $25/hr minimum wage tethered to inflation? Or state run universal healthcare? Because their donor base is also composed of billionaires and cadres of business owners. What's more after a few cycles in office, they routinely leverage information asymmetries available as part of their supposed oversight roles to make money in stocks, become exceedingly wealthy and more detached from the needs of working people.

The Democrats have exclusively run pro-business national candidates for the past 35 years. It's naive to think without serious pressure from the Left (whether that's internal DSA pressure or something else) they'll put forward policies that actually help the working class. If someone doesn't want to be in your big tent with AIPAC, pro-business sycophants you portray them as ideological purists. Unreal.

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[-] Bgugi@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago
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[-] Bluedragon012@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

To quote Malcom X: "It's the ballot, or the bullet."

We gonna have to get mean of we want it to change. Looking at the comments, we are already there.

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[-] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago

Is everyone lost in the sauce in these comments? The meme is about holding fascists accountable for things like authoritarian actions, not passing milquetoast policies to capitulate to their voting base when they don't follow through on 90% of what their campaign promises were.

Talking Epstein action, state surveillance overreach, actual war crimes and unconstitutional breaches that are handwaved away or not addressed (usually strengthened or re-instituted during "progressive" times). This has been going on since the civil war, "Let's move on and focus on the future, not hold people to standards or accountability (or the actual fucking law)". I predict maybe 2-3 high profile cases during the next presidential term that will try to go after someone but will just be a drop in the bucket compared to what people are getting away with.

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[-] limer@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago

Most people who read and write the comments here are frustrated because there is no known mechanism to have large scale change in the USA. Only minor victories that are easily lost to time.

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[-] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 month ago

It's quick and easy to blame a specific party or whatever boogeyman du jour you want. It's much harder to do the work and takes a lot longer to actually actively participate in supporting stronger leaders and building a better future.

I can't and won't comment on OP's specific motivations, but the thing I consistently see with messages like this -- no viable solutions and no practical alternatives. Just fluff and fantasy, misinformation, and over simplification, amongst other problematic issues.

Voting is basically the lowest hurdle to participate and influence political outcomes (in the USA) and yet voter turnout is shockingly low. Of course that's going to be a big message from any party that wants to be part of the process. What this graphic specifically is doing is making it seems like that's the ONLY messaging coming from the Democratic party. It's the same ole song and dance as the fascists, misinformation.

Then, seeing how abyssal voter turn out is in the country, participation rates in all the other political activities is only a tiny little fraction of that. You want change? You want power? You'll have to participate and you'll have to persuade others, many others, to participate. You need to organize, and you need to have a plan.

Let's say you believe the shtick that Dems "do nothing to fight back", what things did you do to counter that? I'm sure here in the anonymity of the Lemmy, we all donated lots of money to other parties and candidates, knocked on doors and made calls on their behalf, helped support new and upcoming leaders (or stepped up ourselves) and convinced them to run for local offices so that they were in a great position to move up the chain to ever more important and influential positions, and we called our leaders from locals all the way up to federal level and let them know what issues we find important. But outside of the minuscule population on Lemmy, the US population as a whole did not. And memes laser focused on further disenfranchising people from the process definitely won't change a thing there. In fact, that's part of why we're here to begin with.

Oh, but InvalidName2, YoU DiDn't oFfEr aNy pRaCtIcAl sOlUtIoNs eItHeR, yOu'rE JuSt aS BaD.

I did, but if you didn't pay attention, you're not a serious person. I'd rather spend my effort donating lots of money the best candidates I can find, knocking on doors and making calls on their behalf, helping support campaigns of new and upcoming leaders, and talking to my elected officials from locals all the way up to federal level and let them know what issues I find important, and numerous other activities that align with my political goals. AND I'm also helping other people get involved where they can, supporting local organizations to amplify that support, and so on.

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 15 points 1 month ago

It's almost like you have to win the election...

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They did in 2020, and then they did nothing to prevent fascism. The fascist did not face serious detrimental consequences of any kind. In fact they actively coveted and aided Israeli fascist which harmed their ability to get reelected.

[-] pirate2377@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 month ago

Did Biden win the senate? Did he appoint the judges for the supreme court? I agree that he mishandled the conflict in Israel, but I not sure what Biden could have done to stop the abolishment of Roe v Wade as an example. If anything, he did a good job bringing us back to some sense of stability after Trump's 1st term ended in disaster. We should critize the Democrats for their mismanagement in that goal, but this consensus that Republicans and Democrats are exactly the same I've been seeing everywhere is ridiculous. It's a false equivalence fallacy

[-] FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Did Biden win the senate?

It seems that now that Trump is president, what congress says doesn't matter at all and the President can do whatever.

Did he appoint the judges for the supreme court?

He could've expanded it, like FDR threatened to do and forced the court to let him do some of the New Deal reforms they were previously opposed to. Biden never lifted a finger with regards to that. This also could've maintained Roe v Wade.

I agree that he mishandled the conflict in Israel,

  1. it's a genocide
  2. "mishandled" is a really egregious weasel word for "gave unconditional support to the government even as approval ratings slid down the drain"
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[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My problem is not with the individual my issue is with the deomcratic party. You are correct that there wasn't anything Biden could actually do on his own. It would take a collective effort and likely military cooperation. It would cause political mayhem and be detrimental to the country as a whole and possibly destroyed the democratic party. It could prevent fascism though. I'm not saying any of this is easy or legal but it could have prevented fascism. Instead they did nothing of consequence.

I am personally of the opinion that fascism is incapable of being prevented through official means under capitalist liberal democracy so everything I say here is effectively meaningless. I'm sort of arguing that people in a system incapable of stopping fascism should have just done it anyway. Point is, you either have to accept that the democrats did nothing to stop fascism or that capitalist liberal democracy is incapable of stopping it and should be abandoned. Assuming you agree that the Trump administration is fascist.

You would probably refer to me as an authoritarian yeah but I think the term is meaningless. As far as I'm concerned all states are authoritarian and my endgoal is the dissolution of all states.

Edit: Roe v Wade should have been codified far before they had the chance to dismantle it but the democrats used it like a carrot on a stick.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Contrary to popular belief, Biden (as president,) was in fact Garlands boss.

Yes? The president is supposed to be fairly hands off, but when you have an FBI director who thinks it’s perfectly acceptable to wait a year until there’s a special prosecutor to get some of our most sensitive documents back, it’s probably well past time to ask him to resign and get someone who’ll do the damn job.

[-] mmcintyre@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

I guess Democratic presidents only ever nominating Republicans to be head of the FBI was a bad idea.

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[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Yes, they had both chambers of the house for the first part of his presidency.

Also, yes he appointed a scotus judge and a few others, but he didn’t pack the courts like he could have, and dems in both houses did fuck all to stop Trump or even solidify the voting rights act (which is now in the shadow docket chopping block.)

Jan 6 was basically our version of the beer hall putsch.

And fuck everyone who said I was wrong about that.

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[-] cmeu@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

The assumption that the Democrats aren't fascist is why the cycle remains unbroken

They're all corrupt. Just ask the dead Palestinians

[-] trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf 14 points 1 month ago

Unfortunately what it really resolves to (and always has) is us, the people,

Tap for spoilerBeing forced to solve the problem

[-] bonsai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 month ago

They tampered with the ballot box. If they won't listen to the soap box, The only box left is the ammo box.

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[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Democrats say vote, you don't, they don't get power, they can't do shit, you blame them for asking you to vote, you don't do it again, it's everyone else's fault but yours.
"But I voted once in 2012, and it clearly didn't help, therefore the whole concept of democracy should be abandoned"

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I voted dumbass, it didn't fucking matter and it never will because voting can't stop fascism. Liberal democracy does not have an internal route for stopping fascists. It has failed to do so in every historical moment where it had the chance.

[-] anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

The only way forward is to liquidate the billionaires as a class.

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 11 points 1 month ago

Vote with one hand, throw a brick with the other.

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[-] ChristerMLB@piefed.social 9 points 1 month ago

Even if your best option is to vote for postponing the day leftists start getting hauled off to camps, you should still vote. Activism is harder when you're in a mega prison.

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