but I didn’t have the secret police disappearing people off the street during the last Democratic presidency

It wasn't as broad as what's happening with ICE right now but some student protesters in encampments for Palestine in 2024 were arrested in unmarked vehicles.

For what it's worth, what's the ratio of dead and arrested Americans to Palestinians that makes voting for the party that will kill the same number of Palestinians but fewer Americans acceptable?

WTF kind of organizing are you doing that the end goal is an election?

they constantly scrutinize others’ supposed moral purity and looking for skeletons in the closet.

Yeah just several hundred thousand dead Palestinians in Gaza, you know, a little skeleton in the closet. A tiny blemish. But all the adults in the room ought to just get over it and focus on what's important: making America's armed forces the most lethal army in the world, and student loan forgiveness for Pell Grant recipients who operated a business in an underserved neighborhood for 3 or more years.

Ok tankie, in this house we only think in terms of the choices that our benevolent masters lay out for us. Criticism of the system itself is a bridge too far.

Okay just gonna sweep Gaza under the rug in no time at all then.

One mayoral race in an extremely liberal city where the establishment candidate is a decrepit sex pest with a million scandals behind him is enough to make you forget the 2020 and 2016 Democratic presidential primaries, the lack of presidential primaries in 2024, and the way every single congressperson who does anything against Israel gets taken out by candidates that receive absurd donations from AIPAC? Oh I guess Mamdani won so the system works as intended...

Thanks for voting to continue bombing them.

I went out to vote for Claudia de la Cruz in 2024. Are y'all yonna find another group of people to genocide in 2028? Because I'll stand in solidarity with them too.

What a reddit response to a reasonable criticism of your garbage liberal meme.

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Join an actual socialist org and stop trying to fix the Democratic Party, you're only wasting your energy.

Dress it how you want, a vote for genocide is a vote for genocide.

An accurate picture here would have several hundred thousand Palestinians on both sides of the track. Not to mention it would still have trans people and immigrants on both sides of the track because both of those groups saw attacks on their rights under the Biden administration.

To make it abstract and intellectual like redditors like it: when the trolley problem has 3 people on the tracks and 1 on the other it seems like a no-brainer, but do you really think the same logic applies when there's 500 people on one side and 498 on the other?

Also keep in mind, the actual political system is more complex that one election. If a candidate is completely blown out the party will know it has to switch its platform for the next election. If a candidate gets a decent number of votes then it doesn't switch its platform. If you voted for Kamala Harris in 2024 you effectively let the Democrats know that genocide is negotiable and you are willing to let it slide. If you held your vote you exerted a bit of pressure for Democrats to stop supporting genocide.

Which deportations are good and righteous as you say? What part of ICE has ever been good? Why do you think the solution for immigrants being in your country without papers is to use violence against them, instead of just... letting them apply for paperwork easier?