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[-] maddie1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 1 week ago
[-] squaresinger@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 week ago

Got another option:

Copos had a chance to stop piracy. Netflix demonstrated that. A full all-you-can-watch buffet for €10 a month with everything you need available caused piracy to all but disappear.

Then they got greedy.

Piracy is just as much of a natural result of asshole pricing and market fragmentation as unionization and strikes are a natural result of employers being assholes and underpaying.

[-] grueling_spool@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 week ago

I'm in between 3 and 4: both copyright and copying are amoral (they are just tools), but copyright as it exists today is obsolete, arguably to the point that it actively hinders the betterment of humankind.

[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 32 points 1 week ago

In ancient Greece, everyone told stories about Achilles and Odysseus and Perseus.

Now we watch stories about Iron Man and Superman and the Jedi.

The difference is, back then stories belonged to everyone. Now stories belong to billionaires.

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[-] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 35 points 1 week ago

The mental gymnastics people need to do to feel better about getting something for free against the wishes of the creator is so wild.

Just own it.

[-] Mothra@mander.xyz 32 points 1 week ago

It's not always against the wishes of the creators. It's certainly against the wishes of whoever is making money out of it, and fair enough this is sometimes the creator but more often than not we are talking about a middleman, such as a publisher or big entertainment company.

When I see piracy is depriving the creator of revenue directly, it always feels bad to me.

When I see the creatives have been paid already, or have several income streams (and big ones at that too) and the only ones deprived of profit are the middleman companies.... Well...

[-] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 7 points 1 week ago

All of this is overthinking to try and justify it to yourself.

[-] nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 week ago

Seems like you are doing a lot of overthinking to argue against piracy on the piracy community

[-] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 5 points 1 week ago

When did I argue against piracy? My 28TB array of shows and movies begs to differ.

[-] nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 week ago

youre a fed prove me wrong

[-] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 5 points 1 week ago

You okay, lil bro?

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago

Yeah, "the wishes of the creator" don't matter. They don't get to dictate how people use an idea they've shared, no matter how elaborate. If they want to keep it private, then don't share it.

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[-] nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 week ago

Surely, as in most modern games, the creators exact wishes is that nobody will be able to play it in a few years ...

[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

Well yes of course, we can't have the poor's playing games years after their made!! That loses us shareholder quarterly value!! They must buy a new game yearly. Thats why we make everything online only so we can shut servers down at will, are you new in this industry?

Thats why we are going after emulation next. Can you imagine, poor's with access to millions of games 20-30 years old, with no subscription fees? The horror!!!

[-] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 week ago

You shall not own anything

[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 8 points 1 week ago

I love Warren Ellis's run of Moon Knight. The art, the writing, the themes, it's so good. It was only after I recommended it on MULTIVERSE that I was informed Warren Ellis is an asshole. He cheated on dozens of women at the same time, giving them career favours in exchange for sex. It was a sexually exploitative relationship that the women were not made aware of in advance.

Good thing I didn't pay for it!

[-] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 4 points 1 week ago

I've always meant to read some Moon Knight, is that a good place to start?

[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 6 points 1 week ago

Yes, everyone agrees that Ellis's run from 2014 is the best Moon Knight made in the last 45 years. You can find it in the From The Dead book, which you shouldn't pay for because Ellis is a creepo.

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

I just assume all creators of things I enjoy will eventually be proven to be sex pests. It makes it much easier to justify piracy morally to myself. (/j)

[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

Yeah because corpo ai slop bots asked the "wishes of the creator" before they outright stole everything.

Hardddddd eyeroll.

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[-] maddie1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

My favorite is people who use “archival purposes” as an argument for having a dump of some shit like SMB + Duck Hunt cart for NES. That shit isn’t going anywhere man, you just want to play it for free and that’s ok.

[-] deranger@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 week ago

If I didn’t get into so many niche genres of music through piracy in the 00s, I’d not have a vinyl collection worth the same as a lower end luxury car today.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 week ago

I wish piracy was stealing, because stealing from the rich is good

[-] HelloRoot@lemy.lol 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There is no "stealing" when we talk about digital goods, as copying files is virtually free of cost (just a littld bit of electricity).

So if the file gets duplicated and you get the copy you stole nothing.

[-] 5PACEBAR@piefed.ca 16 points 1 week ago
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[-] quack@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago

Piracy is a service issue, plain and simple. It would be all but dead if media companies gave their customers what they actually wanted, but line must go up at the expense of literally everything else.

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Digital “ownership” is temporary. Piracy is as permanent as the end-user wants it to be. I prefer the latter.

[-] ameen272@thelemmy.club 11 points 1 week ago
[-] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago

The copyright extensions in the 20th century are theft of the commons. Those corporations are taking from public domain and not paying back. They're thieves, and why should we care if large scale thieves become victims of theft?

Bring copyright back to the original 17 years plus a 17 year extension (max 34) in the US. Then we'll talk.

[-] lemmysmash@beehaw.org 9 points 1 week ago
[-] burble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago

I miss the golden era of Netflix when they had everything. Now that all the streaming platforms balkanized... Fuck em.

[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

I used to feel kind of bad.

Now? Fuck no. Corpo ai slop bots sucked up everything that's ever been done on the internet and are using it to their own gain. and guess what, creators didnt see a single fucking cent.

So, fuck it. Take it all. Do not pay corpo. Donate to artists you like.

[-] lyralycan@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

Word of mouth does some heavy lifting here I reckon

[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 8 points 1 week ago

Culture is our most important invention as a species. So important, in fact, that we’ve evolved to make it essential to our individual health and collective capacity to function. To deny someone access to interact with culture on the basis of their lack of wealth is cruel and anti-human.

Likewise, developing something like an LLM, which spews thoughtless pollution into the only shared infosphere we have, and displaces individuals’ ability to connect to each other to develop culture… that is an existential threat to the human race and should be opposed vehemently.

[-] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Honestly? At two, but I'll keep pirating everything, I can live with it.

I agree with three.

[-] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I know this sounds like a very stretched analogy at first glance, but it's like a baker trying to prosecute people for smelling their products from outside. But if you think about it, these media companies are literally sending their information out into the air and getting upset when people just listen to that information. Like a smell, internet data is just out there in the air and it's just unreasonable to prosecute people for either smelling or downloading stuff that's permeating the atmosphere. Maybe tape recording radio songs is a tighter analogy but it's the same idea.

[-] cybernihongo@reddthat.com 5 points 1 week ago

Piracy is good, actually.

Come back when games become 1) strictly drm-free no launchers no nothing 2) more affordable worldwide 3) not subject to artificial obsolescence, then we can talk.

[-] pirate2377@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

Copyright is useful for when you're protecting intellectual property from being stolen by big corporations as a smaller business or private citizen. It's actually the original intent for why it exists in the first place. The problem is that it's rarely used that way and is instead used by big corporations as a battering ram to extract as much wealth as possible from the ones below them.

[-] Facni@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

(...) protecting intellectual property from being stolen by big corporations as a smaller business or private citizen. It’s actually the original intent for why it exists.

Let me discern with you with this. Copyright actually started as a way for censorship, control and profit.

History of Copyright https://falkvinge.net/2011/02/01/history-of-copyright-part-1-black-death/

Also, trial fees are usually unaffordable for smaller business or citizens in most of the world. Corporations employ different strategies when using "someone else's intellectual property" to avoid problems or persue their suers, and usually get away with it.

Piracy is for Trillion Dollar Companies | Gamer Nexus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdtBgB7iS8c

[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Copyright laws are the perfect example on how our economic system is flawed. How can you pretend to get money on the abstract concept of someone copying some bites on their computer.

Practicing piracy shows the way for a better system.

Each time I torrent I murmur "This is the way".

[-] zeezee@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 week ago

piracy is stealing and stealing is good

[-] Sickday@kbin.earth 3 points 1 week ago

tbh these days I'm only grabbing stuff I couldn't really get any other way (ie. no service offers said media here). if a creator gets upset because I consumed their media without the capitalist part, well they shouldn't worry; it'll trickle down

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[-] observes_depths@aussie.zone 3 points 1 week ago

Support creators through word of mouth (telling other people to pirate it)? There's no one approach, but basically pay if I'm willing to, pirate if I'm not, and sometimes pirate even if I've paid because the experience is better.

Copyright is not valid, it is an unjustified form of tyrannical control. Piracy is pushing back against something that isn't acceptable or justified by refusing to play by their rules.

Anyone who voluntarily supports or apologizes for copyright is neoliberal dirt to me.

[-] Toneswirly@beehaw.org 2 points 1 week ago

Companies want to squeeze us for maximum value while providing minimal effort. So they get what they give; they should be competing with "free" but would much rather fruitlessly put up roadblocks that only hurt paying customers, leading more people to piracy. Its delicious and theres nothing they can do to stop it.

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