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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by SirSamuel@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

I was raised to address strangers and those I wish to show social deference to as "Sir" or "Ma'am". It's a difficult habit to break, as it is deeply engrained.

What is an equivalent gender neutral honorific that is relatively common in English? If I can't break the habit I'd rather have a substitute word to use instead of an awkward pause in the middle of addressing someone

I'd just use Google to ask but I'd rather ask the people directly rather than an AI generated answer based off of Reddit threads

ETA: I suppose if Yessir and Yes'm work, Yesn't could too? Mostly joking… but maybe… 🤔

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[-] Drunkdos@lemmy.world 78 points 5 months ago
[-] Aeri@lemmy.world 70 points 4 months ago
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[-] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 67 points 5 months ago

FWIW, Sir is gender neutral in the military — this came up in Star Trek Voyager, anyway. Basically if your senior officer isn’t male, they’re sir until they tell you otherwise.

[-] bamboo 53 points 5 months ago

FWIW, Sir is not gender neutral in Gamestop.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago
[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

GameStop has Wendy’s now?

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[-] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 34 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Sir is gender neutral in fictional militaries. Every woman holding a commission I ever encountered was ma'am. Didn't matter the country.

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[-] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

Sir hasn’t been gender neutral in my military for like 30 years at least

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[-] Stamau123@lemmy.world 53 points 4 months ago
[-] foliumcreations@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I've seen enough posts related to etymology or historical use of words where they, either misrepresent the facts to fit a narrative or just make shit up, that I try to look it up my self. I also find etymology fascinating so that helps.

In this case they are absolutely right.

Both Mr and. Mrs,ms are derived from master and mistress (teachers) and both of those words stem from the Latin word Magister.

Edit: fun fact the English verb stick is the same word as the noun stick and comes from the same origin the Germanic word stik which also meant a piece of wood and to pierce/adhere or sharp. But wait it's older than that the Latin word stigare also means pierce. And share the same ancestry, namely indo-european. Turns out we humans have been talking about sticks for a long time.

[-] qarbone@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

...why not just "magister" and avoid a word that already has very strong, current connotations with fantasy?

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[-] CptHacke@piefed.social 45 points 5 months ago

Having worked in the retail sector for some time, I quickly learned that appearances are often deceiving after a few embarrassing blunders on my part. I taught myself to call everyone 'my friend'. I had no more problems after that.

[-] meejle@piefed.world 27 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Also if you have to hand someone off to another colleague, I find you can just use "we", and it still feels polite. At least compared to calling them "the customer" (clumsy) or "they" (weird, when they're right next to you). 😃

"So, we're looking for [product], and we need it to be [thing]. Oh, and we have a budget of £25."

[-] CptHacke@piefed.social 12 points 5 months ago

Yes, I've done this, as well. It definitely works.

[-] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 5 months ago
[-] TheAsianDonKnots@lemmy.zip 34 points 5 months ago

I was raised in southern hospitality, so I know exactly what you’re going through.

I just stopped using pronouns altogether.

“Excuse me” “Thank you” “I appreciate you” “Do you know the way to San Jose”

Turns out 99% of interactions don’t depend on what genitals a person’s rocking. I guess if you’re asked to identify a suspect in a crime it might help? Point being, stop focusing on their crotch and what they’re doing with it 😁 you’ve been trained to be weird about it.

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 21 points 5 months ago

I just stopped using pronouns altogether.

“Excuse me” “Thank you” “I appreciate you” “Do you know the way to San Jose”

ALL of these have pronouns. At least one of them has multiple pronouns! Haha

[-] TheAsianDonKnots@lemmy.zip 9 points 5 months ago

Sorry, meant gender pronouns.

[-] nile_istic@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Everyone with a brain knew what you meant, don't worry.

[-] fartographer@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

What are talking about? Said it perfectly fine, are being intentionally dense. Sorry but people like annoy the shit out of.

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[-] SuperPengato@scribe.disroot.org 19 points 4 months ago

I just call everyone "comrade".

[-] TwiddleTwaddle 19 points 5 months ago

Some of my friends use "yes them" jokingly to replace yes sir/yes ma'am. Certainly not correct in any grammatical way, but it does flow well enough and is kindof funny as long as the person being addressed doesnt mind.

[-] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Personally, I like "Sir" as in the Star Trek/Orville usage. It did happy things to my brain when the crew on the Orville referred to Commander Kelly Grayson (a cis woman) as "Sir", respectfully referring to her by her proper title as a commanding officer. That was cool. I like the gender neutral "Sir" a lot.

But for casual usage, "Friend" or "Neighbor" is nice. "Hey, neighbor, you dropped this." "Excuse me, friend, lemme reach around you here."

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[-] Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago
[-] BertramDitore@lemmy.zip 15 points 5 months ago

This one bugs me a bit. I’m sure it’s said with good intentions, but I have a client who calls everyone on my team “friend” whether or not she knows us, and it always rubs me the wrong way. We’re not friends, she’s the client in a professional setting, and she has never shown any interest in getting to know me enough to actually call me “friend” and have it mean something, so it always comes across as superficial and unnaturally folksy.

As someone who doesn’t have a ton of deep friendships, the ones I do have matter a lot to me, which means I don’t like to throw around the word “friend” lightly.

Could just be my own emotional hangups though.

[-] Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yeah this is a perfect example of why it doesn't matter how polite you try to be. Someone is going to be bothered by ANY language at some point. So long as you have good intentions, you've satisfied your end of the interaction.

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[-] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

Ok so reading the comments, from Appalachia, and I didn't see it about anyone specific.

So the reason why nothing seems correct is because nothing new will have the same level of cultural history. If you're trying to show social deference to people things like "friend" or "pal" won't work, and "chief" sounds too informal.

You can still use "sir" and "ma'am" under most circumstances, so the question is more about your circumstances.

Are you trying to find something that replaces those honorifics all together, or do you want a backup third option in case someone says they are non binary?

Are you still in the same culture, or have you moved to a culture that doesn't emphasize honorifics like you were raised with?

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[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago
[-] SirSamuel@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

I often call people chief. One time I started to say Yessir, realized midway the person I was taking to might not appreciate the label, tried to change lanes and say Yeah, Chief, and wound up saying Yes Chef.

We had a really good conversation about The Bear TV series afterwards

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[-] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 13 points 5 months ago

I've asked people to call me 'it'. Hasn't happened yet.

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[-] moondoggie@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

Ran into that problem with my enby friend. Specifically in the jokey context, like when a friend asks you to do something and you say “Yes Sir!” Or “Yes Ma’am!” in a kind of over the top way. They hadn’t really thought about it either and they were flummoxed too. We wound up with “Yes Colonel!”

[-] pixxelkick@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Cant go wrong with "Partner"

"Scuse me Partner, is this seat taken?" Still slaps if you say it confidently enough

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Got any of that good sarsaparilla?

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[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 11 points 4 months ago

I like that in Battlestar Galactica, Sir is the honorific for all military officers. They use madame for the president, but the military calls everyone Sir.

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[-] wraekscadu@vargar.org 11 points 4 months ago

Sorry for the non answer, but here's a little rant:

Honorifics should go away. They unnecessarily create and restate hierarchies that don't really need to exist.

On the receiving end, it has always felt weird being called "sir". A smile is more than enough, thank you very much.

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[-] KittenBiscuits@lemmy.today 10 points 5 months ago

Lean into the southern-ness and call them Honey, Sugar, or Sweetie?

It gets easier to pull off the older I get.

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[-] SCmSTR 10 points 5 months ago

RoboCop "citizen"

[-] FunStuffIsFun@eviltoast.org 10 points 4 months ago

I use "Captain". It has been met with 100% success.

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[-] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 10 points 5 months ago
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[-] ProdigiousInsanity@lemmus.org 10 points 5 months ago

But what if they are an MMA fighter?

[-] GutterRat42@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago
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[-] shittydwarf@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 months ago

"My friend" is pretty safe

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[-] renormalizer@feddit.org 9 points 4 months ago

Greetings, sentient!

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 9 points 5 months ago

I use 'homie' sometimes. It's not always the right option but it's another arrow in the quiver.

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