We seriously need to give up on the sarcastic, parodic pro-capitalist games, and go back to ripping heads off of virtual fascists.

The Boys worst fans lol

Ironically I gave up on the community for the complete opposite reason, you can't criticize the game because criticism is always met with "you're an enemy of super earth". I get it, Super earth is a fascist civilization and Helldivers are the extension of that fascism and a lot of it is on the nose and it's okay to joke about dissenters, sometimes. But you don't need to scream "enemies of democracy" every single time someone criticizes the game. The game is fun but it's not perfect. There are real problems with the game, one of which has lead to this complete embarrassment of the community.

In short, the Helldivers 2 community is toxic in every aspect and anyone interested in Helldivers is better off ignoring the subreddit, the steam community and probably also the official discord. Instead join !helldivers2@lemmy.ca where this drama isn't even mentioned.

Reddit communities around games in general are awful. I swear no one in those subreddits actually enjoys the game they supposedly dump thousands of hours into.

Warframe recently changed pugs to automatically and instantly disband upon mission completion. It's kind of awesome. I actually don't only play solo now.

I've not actually run into more than two or three assholes in helldivers. Almost everyone is cool. Idk if it's because I exclusively play in7-10 difficulty on PC or what.

Lots of funny people, and almost everyone pulls their own weight and when shit goes wrong usually everyone has a laugh.

Also being the host helps cause I just kick the couple of people who are assholes lol

You can't tell me that Valve cannot hire a dedicated team of forum mediators to help mitigate the toxicity happening in their forums. They're a multi-billion dollar company that could've made it happen ten times over by now, but choose not to and prefer people to be subjected to a snail team that takes their time getting to you. While letting the worst of autonomy take action.

Steam is toxic yea but to compare with reddit? Thats wild. At least in steam discussions everybody just hates you while Reddit has some true degens

Okay so this is entirely going off the top of my head as I remembered it.

So in 2017, the MeToo movement was strong (actually I just learned it started as early as 2006 on MySpace, just gained lots of momentum by 2017). And, it was strong and going where lots of allegations were fired off from women who were sexually assaulted or objectified or other similar things afflicted to them.

And allegations were made towards Alec Holowka, who was the Developer/Programmer/Musician of Night in the Woods. He was alleged to have physically and emotionally abused Zoe Quinn in 2012. These allegations didn't come to light until August of 2019. Within a day after the allegation, the team behind Night in the Woods immediately severed ties with Alec, they claimed they had evidence and all that.

Four days after the allegation and the severation, Alec committed suicide. Now this sparked a huge drama-storm of its own and has heavily divided the Night in the Woods community. Because, the allegations were left unresolved which made a lot of people think that Zoe Quinn just wanted to ruin Alec's life. Keep in mind, MeToo was a wildfire of its own because as we've learned later on after that wave, people were found to have made lots of unproven allegations just to ruin another's reputation.

Not to say all of them were unproven, it is just a large amount of alleged claims were. It was just exhausting to hear yet another allegation come up after so many years after the fact that it happened and then it becomes a giant he-said she-said dramasode that goes on and on and on. You can see the problem. Also, the whole GamerGate thing was happening too.

All I know from the whole thing was that people really, really hated Zoe Quinn. It was a huge messy situation that went off the rails, divided a community, alienated people about MeToo, made people hate Zoe .etc

Just, ugh. I hated everything about that incident. It's just another incident where people didn't sit the fuck down, analyze things closely, figure out who is telling the truth and coming to conclusions based on those findings. People rushed to conclusions right off the bat, immediately sided with Zoe just because she was a woman and demonized Alec just because he was a man.

There are people on the Fediverse who are trying desperately to shit in it enough to where it is comparable to Reddit.

People are clamoring for more people to be on the Fediverse? I don't know anymore if more people available would be the answer. We could use more microcommunities, but I don't know about people.

Today I realized I’m too outta the loop on games since halo 3.

It's a peaceful life...

It's kind of a shitty thing about modern gaming, is that the game revolves around the community, and if you're not part of the community, you don't know WTF is going on, because they never explain anything in the game.

I got pretty sucked into it playing Destiny 1 like 10 years ago but eventually it was too much fucking work and not enough fun.

I'm tired of those crowds and the hardcore gamer crowds. They believe that they are the best of the best and should therefore, be the ones dictating how games should go. I've seen this in real-time with games like Rocket League, where the elitists controlled the asylum and their input was more valuable to Psyonix than compromising so as to make everyone happy.

You can't even play a casual match anymore without getting penalized when you leave it, since it's casual and the game places an AI bot in your place to remedy this. All because the elitists, who primarily play Competitive, felt that you should be penalized anyways even in modes where Competitive isn't the primary focus. Imagine if you were playing single player games and whenever you died or your run ends, you decide to quit the game in frustration.

So you come back to the game later and you're locked out from playing a single-player game because the people over in the multiplayer side of the spectrum, complained too much about how people quit games that wouldn't otherwise affect them and the developer taking their side. That's how ridiculous it got with Rocket League.

This is why I don't play multiplayer with random people anymore, I am reluctant to gripe about frustrations I have with already hard games when I question the difficulty factor. Because all that it is going to turn into, is just dogpiling with people stabbing at me and screaming I should 'git gud' or 'stop playing games because games are reserved for real gamers' or 'go back to playing your shitty 3-match game'.

I have REALLY gotten sick of the “git gud” crowd.

I've always been sick of it. It's impacted how developers create games.

Once upon a time, hard and difficult games on 8-bit and 16-bit platforms were created accidentally, either because of design bugs, or developers not having time to run through proper play-test cycles, or only doing the play testing themselves. We put up with it because we were kids and had a limited budget for games, so we played what we had. It was never intentional, since they wanted to make sure it was balanced enough to appeal to the general audience, but still have difficulty levels for people who wanted to try out a second harder playthrough.

Then, games like Dark Souls came along, which pretended that hard games were a From Software invention, and propped up a community of egoists and digital sadomasochists. All they did was make the designs more deliberate, to the point of developer trolling. (I know this started earlier on in the indie scene, especially roguelikes, but Dark Souls popularized it.)

The "git gud" crowd pushes this narrative of "if it's possible to do, then it's the player's fault for not having the skill to do so", to the point of personifying a game with statements like "the game is punishing me with bad RNG" or "the game is actively trying to kill me". This completely ignores the developers' responsibility of instituting balanced difficulty levels, since it's the developers' fault that "the game" does these things.

Again, it has really impacted how developers create games nowadays. First, the "git gud" crowd is loud enough that developers now think they deserve a voice, as if difficult games weren't absolutely everywhere, even before Dark Souls. The popularity of speed running makes them think that have to cater to that crowd, and streamers streaming impossible challenges skews that difficulty Overton window even more. Developers think they have to make some impossibly difficult game, so that streamers, who famously play video games for a living for thousands of hours a year, will advertise their game and push it to the top.

There's a surprisingly big chunk of the playerbase that ignores satire. Any game like that will attract these assholes, oldest example I can think of is TF2

D6-8 are like that. Its a flood of the light to midrange enemies that roll over you.

D9-10 are better because it fills in more heavies.

I mean, there are certain games where the online community actually breathes a lot of life into a game. Lots of open-ended games have fantastic online communities. For instance, Factorio’s online community is largely focused on sharing factory blueprints, finding better ways to optimize your setups, and modding.

In fact, the biggest “controversy” surrounding Factorio is that the company’s founder is a bigot. The official Reddit sub actively turned against him. The mods even started deleting his inflammatory posts and comments for breaking the rules, which is a nice piece of irony. Imagine creating a game and then having the entire fanbase turn against you when you start blowing dog whistles.