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[-] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 278 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

For the uninitiated: this is the current most-efficient method found of packing 17 unit squares inside another square. You may not like it, but this is what peak efficiency looks like.

(Of course, 16 squares has a packing coefficient of 4, compared to this arrangement's 4.675, so this is just what peak efficiency looks like for 17 squares)

Edit: For the record, since this blew up, a tiny nitpick in my own explanation above: a smaller value of the packing coefficient is not actually what makes it more efficient (as it is simply the ratio of the larger square's side to the sides of the smaller squares). The optimal efficiency (zero interstitial space) is achieved when the packing coefficient is precisely equal to the square root of the number of smaller squares. Hence why the case of n=25, with a packing coefficient of 5, is actually more efficient than this packing of n=17, with a packing coefficient of 4.675. Since sqrt(25)=5, that case is a perfectly efficient packing, equal to the case of n=16 with coefficient of 4. Since sqrt(17)=4.123, this packing above is not perfectly efficient, leaving interstices. Obviously. This also means that we may yet find a packing for n=17 with a packing coefficient closer to sqrt(17), which would be an interesting breakthrough, but more important are the questions "is it possible to prove that a given packing is the most efficient possible packing for that value of n" and "does there exist a general rule which produces the most efficient possible packing for any given value of n unit squares?"

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 60 points 6 days ago

But you can fit 25 squares into the same space. This isn't efficiency, it's just wasted space and bad planning.

You raised the packing coefficient by ⅝ to squeeze one extra square in with all that wasted space, so don't argue that 25 squares has a packing coefficient of 5. Another ⅜ will get you an extra 8 squares, and no wasted space.

[-] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 74 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Precisely. That's why I wrote the parenthetical about the greater efficiency of 16 as a perfect square. As the other commenter pointed out, this is a meme. This is only the most efficient packing method for 17 squares. It's the packing efficiency equivalent of the spinal tap "this one goes to 11" quote.

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 27 points 6 days ago

My autistic ass can't comprehend why anyone would want to arrange a prime number in a square pattern...

[-] SirActionSack@aussie.zone 42 points 6 days ago

autistic

surprised at people doing weird shit

?????

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[-] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I mean, the actual answer is severalfold: "sometimes, when you need to fill a space, you don't end up with simple compound numbers of identical packages" is one, but really, it's a problem in mathematics which, were we to have a general solution to find the most efficient method of packing n objects with identical properties into the smallest area, we would be able to more effectively predict natural structures, including predicting things like protein folding, which is a huge area of medical research. Simple, seemingly inapplicable cases can often be generalised to more specific cases, and that's how you get the entire field of applied math, as well as most of scientific and engineering modeling

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[-] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

For 25 squares of size 1x1 you'd need a square of size 5x5. The square into which 17 1x1 squares fit is smaller than 5x5, so you can't fit 25 squares into it.

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[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 11 points 6 days ago

You can't fit 25 squares into a square 4.675x bigger unless you make them smaller. Yes, that will increase the volume available for syrup.

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[-] forestbeasts@pawb.social 11 points 6 days ago

Yeah, it's not at all an optimal waffle. It's more a cool math meme waffle. ;3

-- Frost

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[-] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 38 points 6 days ago

Thank you I was very lost lmao

Isn't this only true if the outer square's size is not an integer multiple of the inner square's size? Meaning, if you have to do this to your waffle iron, you simply chose the dimensions poorly.

[-] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 11 points 6 days ago

The optimisation objective is to fit n smaller squares (in this case, n=17) into the larger square, whilst minimising the size of the outer square. So that means that in this problem, the dimensions of the outer square isn't a thing that we're choosing the dimensions of, but rather discovering its dimensions (given the objective of "minimise the dimensions of the outer square whilst fitting 17 smaller squares inside it)

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[-] deus@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

Or maybe you just want waffles with 17 squares in them.

[-] chris@links.openriver.net 11 points 6 days ago

Does coefficient in this context mean the length of the side of the big square?

[-] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 days ago

Exactly. It is the length of the side of the bigger square, relative to the sides of the smaller identical squares.

[-] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 203 points 6 days ago
[-] blx@piefed.zip 43 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I wonder how many people would have understood both references just a few years ago. Yet today, not only someone made a meme out of this, but it also gets a good deal of upvotes. That's the internet culture I love!

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[-] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 93 points 6 days ago

Oh my God, I fucking love this. I mean, I absolutely hate that this is the optimal way to pack 17 squares into a larger square such that the size of the larger square is minimised. However, I love that someone went to the effort of making a waffle iron plate for this. High effort shitposts like this give me life

[-] gnarles_snarkley@beehaw.org 1 points 2 days ago

What about 19, 23, 29, 31?! I need to know!

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[-] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 45 points 6 days ago
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[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 83 points 6 days ago

This makes me so angry for reasons I can’t articulate

[-] Deconceptualist@leminal.space 29 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

This actually makes me unreasonably happy, kinda like knowing the secrets of the number 37, which is coincidentally your current number of upvotes.

[-] morto@piefed.social 12 points 6 days ago
[-] sepi@piefed.social 20 points 6 days ago

Now its more than 42. How do you feel about being wrong on the internet, genius?

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[-] sqw@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 5 days ago

wanna maximize syrup? just make it a giant one-square cup.

[-] Jayve@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

My nephew just drinks the syrup from the bottle.

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[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 41 points 6 days ago

How inefficient, I could fit 100 squares in there easily.

[-] Deconceptualist@leminal.space 60 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Right? Wake me up when we reach a 7 nm lithographic waffle process.

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[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 36 points 6 days ago
[-] waldfee@feddit.org 24 points 6 days ago
[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 25 points 6 days ago

Im a dipper. You put the syrup where you want it yourself. Do not rely on some fancy designed skillet to feed you the way you deserve.

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[-] Spaceballstheusername@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

To be honest I would love a waffle maker like this where some parts of the waffle are a little undercooked and other parts crispy.

[-] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago
[-] Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago

Thanks, I hate it!

[-] StellarExtract@lemmy.zip 17 points 6 days ago
[-] y0kai@anarchist.nexus 16 points 6 days ago

no this is a gain

[-] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 6 days ago

Mathematicians: makes something with zero practical applications

Waffles:

[-] bulwark@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Pfft, let me know when “Big Waffle” develops its own proprietary 6-nanometer syrup squares. Until then I will defer to the Belgians and their superior waffle technology.

[-] Cort@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

Those fat Belgian waffles have nothing on the Dutch stroopwafel technology coming out of asml

[-] VoteNixon2016 10 points 6 days ago

The solution is to take a bite of waffle and then take a drink of syrup like it's a chaser

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