402
Forbidden Fruit
(mander.xyz)
As a modern male, cannot confirm
This is kind of the best-case fantasy of what happened to introduce that DNA so let's just hope it's true for now.
Yeahhh.... first thought I had when the DNA news hit was that this had pretty rapey vibes...
I don't think there was a lot of consent on offer.
I thought neanderthal males were thought to be a lot less aggressive than homo sapiens (possibly even the reason for their extinction)? Even though I suspect you could be right. I think it's possibly a mistake to apply how we are today to how our relatives were 40,000+ years ago. Also they might not have a comparable concept of rape if you go back far enough. So the personal trama, cultural implications, and psychological impact are possibly hard to analyze from a modern lense.
Sex doesn’t look very consensual for like 99.9% of other species…
Fairly certain even the idea of consent is part of what makes us human.
1: Neanderthals are also humans for the purpose you're discussing, the results of higher cognitive functions. The label is actually applied to all hominins by anthropologists (note the nin and not nid)
2: A lot of tribal cultures have historically had more female autonomy than women in industrialized or preindustrial cultures. There's a lot of discussion about why that is exactly but this image of women as caveman chattel is just a lie
From a very cursory Wikipedia check, hominini includes chimpanzees?
I might have missed something - you're saying anthropologists consider all hominins human? Including chimpanzees?
Hominini is not the same thing as hominin, in short. Hominins are more properly known as the subtribe hominina of the tribe hominini.
I know, it's obnoxious. It's like some of these dudes are just making names up as they go along.
Okay, that makes more sense. Thanks for the clarification!
Gotta need a time machine for that ~~sweet neanderthal pussy~~ interesting anthroplogic research.
Context?
Human genome contains significant contribution from Neanderthals. Because of the location of the neanderthal genes in our genome it can only have come from male Neanderthals.
Unga bunga bang bang
load more comments
(2 replies)
Neanderthals were more peaceful than Homo Sapiens.
We don't actually know that. Homo Sapiens is on the whole a peaceful species, but we have a few assholes that like to kill and subjugate.
Just because our assholes outlived their assholes, doesn't mean that they were any less assholes on average than we are/were
hunter gatherers vs agriculturers say otherways. Mass of graves and the murdering entire family lines and clans and villages go back as far as humankind goes back. Homo sapiens are no different than any other animal—opportunistic killers like cows and horses are.
Yep, the relative lack of heterogeneity in the Y-chromosome compared to mtDNA is somewhat testament to that too, but those mass grave sites are late stone age. Neanderthals predate those sites by a large margin, so it'd be hard to say that they didn't necessarily follow the same brutal history against their own kin
load more comments
(4 replies)
load more comments
(1 replies)
Clan of the cave bear vibes
The first one was engaging but subsequent novels really felt like Auel was writing them with one hand
Where do Neanderthal women be??
A trend that continues to this day tbh
So, how likely is it that neanderthals and humans just lived in tribes together, and neanderthals just eventually died off within human tribes?
I bet it at least ended that way.
They died out during the last ice age when one of the big differences from previous ones they survived was the presence of homo sapiens.
I'm guessing it was from a combination of lack of space, raids, and integration (willing or not).
We (who carry it) have a small amount of Neanderthal DNA, but it's not the same DNA for all of us, it's pretty diverse, so cross breeding events between us weren't limited to just a few times.
Iirc, there's speculation that neanderthals needed something like 3000 calories per day just to sustain themselves.
We may have just survived because we can go leaner.
One difference that I'm aware of is we were using bone needles at that point to make more advanced clothing, which would have helped in an ice age.
load more comments
(1 replies)
load more comments
(2 replies)
I thought this was referencing modern dating at first 🙄
How do we know it wasn't the other way around?
a paper came out recently. it's also possible that male humans and female neanderthals made non viable babies.
There is a few different potential reasons as well as sexual preference.
Genetic incompatibility - the interspecific cross could only occur one way.
Genetic bottlenecks in the neandertal lineage. A high inbred coefficient could have decreased the neandertal females overall fertility (high deleterious alleles load). This could also cause a rapid reduction in the percentage of neandertal DNA in a mixed population.
Maternal behavior - Neandertals females might not have cared for hybrid offspring appropriately. This could be for anything from milk production requirements to differences in physiological developmental rates.
Genetic incompatibility - the interspecific cross could only occur one way.
This could be human male-neanderthal female (HMNF) coupling didn't result in fertile offspring right? Could it also be that HMNF (coupling) didn't result in fertile female offspring, but did have fertile male offspring?
Usually these issues are caused by mitochondrial DNA not nuclear DNA. Mitochondrial DNA is only passed on from the female. So if there is an incompatibility, it's usually completely lethal to any offspring.
So a HMNF coupling could not have been possible because of the neanderthal's female mitochondrial DNA.
load more comments
(6 replies)
This is a fantastic thread, I love this meme sub
Two ways.
First, sex chromosomes. In mammals, sex is determined by the sex chromosomes - males have XY, females XX. If interbreeding was equal between the sexes of both species, this would be reflected in the frequency of neanderthal genes on each chromosome in the current human population, but it's more heavily skewed toward the Y chromosome than we'd expect if equal pairing was true. This suggests a higher proportion of successful male neanderthal/female human offspring.
Second, mitochondrial DNA. While genomic DNA in a sexually-reproducing species is a mix between the parents, in most mammals the inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is purely maternal. This is because only the egg's mitochondria typically survive, though on rare occasion paternal mitochondria are also passed on. There is no known existent neanderthal mtDNA in the human population. This suggests either female neanderthal/male human crosses didn't happen much and/or didn't often produce offspring capable of further reproduction.
Of course, there are many other explanations for all of these. These are just amongst the simplest possible options, and in population genetics, it's not uncommon that the simplest answers are frequently correct.
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 03 Mar 2026
402 points (100.0% liked)
Science Memes
19408 readers
804 users here now
Welcome to c/science_memes @ Mander.xyz!
A place for majestic STEMLORD peacocking, as well as memes about the realities of working in a lab.
Rules
- Don't throw mud. Behave like an intellectual and remember the human.
- Keep it rooted (on topic).
- No spam.
- Infographics welcome, get schooled.
This is a science community. We use the Dawkins definition of meme.
Research Committee
Other Mander Communities
Science and Research
Biology and Life Sciences
- !abiogenesis@mander.xyz
- !animal-behavior@mander.xyz
- !anthropology@mander.xyz
- !arachnology@mander.xyz
- !balconygardening@slrpnk.net
- !biodiversity@mander.xyz
- !biology@mander.xyz
- !biophysics@mander.xyz
- !botany@mander.xyz
- !ecology@mander.xyz
- !entomology@mander.xyz
- !fermentation@mander.xyz
- !herpetology@mander.xyz
- !houseplants@mander.xyz
- !medicine@mander.xyz
- !microscopy@mander.xyz
- !mycology@mander.xyz
- !nudibranchs@mander.xyz
- !nutrition@mander.xyz
- !palaeoecology@mander.xyz
- !palaeontology@mander.xyz
- !photosynthesis@mander.xyz
- !plantid@mander.xyz
- !plants@mander.xyz
- !reptiles and amphibians@mander.xyz
Physical Sciences
- !astronomy@mander.xyz
- !chemistry@mander.xyz
- !earthscience@mander.xyz
- !geography@mander.xyz
- !geospatial@mander.xyz
- !nuclear@mander.xyz
- !physics@mander.xyz
- !quantum-computing@mander.xyz
- !spectroscopy@mander.xyz
Humanities and Social Sciences
Practical and Applied Sciences
- !exercise-and sports-science@mander.xyz
- !gardening@mander.xyz
- !self sufficiency@mander.xyz
- !soilscience@slrpnk.net
- !terrariums@mander.xyz
- !timelapse@mander.xyz
Memes
Miscellaneous
founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS