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[-] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 234 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The people who needed to be convinced think the New York Times is globalist propaganda. If they even noticed the existence of this article they would assume it was a made up smear campaign against Dear Leader.

Also, our media (even the "liberal media") is part of the problem. For example, they did such a terrible job explaining Trump's attempts to steal the 2020 election that to this day even many anti-Trump Americans don't understand how fucked up it was.

The primary blame is on the sociopaths in charge and the troglodytes who voted them in, but there is plenty of guilt to go around.

[-] SnotFlickerman 115 points 3 weeks ago

I worked in news media in the Bush years and I got to see first hand how our national news promoted the lies coming from the Bush administration and helping spearhead support for an Iraq invasion.

The media has been a problem for a long time.

[-] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 40 points 3 weeks ago

Iraq II - Shock and Awe was definitely a huge part of my political awakening. I'm still saddened (but no longer amazed) that more people didn't figure it out at the time, and that so many still haven't figured it out.

[-] prole 32 points 3 weeks ago

People still think the NYT is some left leaning (or even "far left" in some circles) source. It's fucking absurd.

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 32 points 3 weeks ago

I'm still pretty pissed off about that. It's when I learned that a huge number of my fellow citizens are really stupid. Covid was when I learned that they're also hateful pieces of shit.

Freedom fries, you guys. Woohoo.

[-] pdxfed@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

NYT endorsed Iraq invasion even though there was no evidence of WMDs and the rest of the world was against it. Surprise, no WMDs were found.

Interestingly, some companies did steal billions upon billions of dollars and we blew the national debt up. Strange that outcome ..

[-] SnotFlickerman 14 points 3 weeks ago

NYT also sat on the story about NSA wiretapping US citizens for over a year at the behest of the Bush admin. Later, DNI Clapper would deny that spying on Americans happened "wittingly," a denial which would push Edward Snowden to leak information thst proved otherwise.

[-] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 weeks ago

The NYT also sat on the story of Trump having Maduro kidnapped. They (along with WaPo) were informed of the operation 24 hours before it happened.

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[-] Fermion@mander.xyz 31 points 3 weeks ago

I don't recall the media covering the fake electors of the Jan 6 coup hardly at all. The media loved to cover the big violent crowd becaus it was flashy. However, the fake elector scheme was the more significant crisis in my mind. That showed a planned and coordinated effort by people in power to subvert democracy.

[-] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] brownsugga@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago

The biggest lie of them all is the “Liberal” in liberal media

All American media is essentially fascist, they’ve proven this beyond a doubt

If there were even a HINT of an ALLEGATION that Biden or Obama were party to INFANTICIDE they would have burned DC to the ground. Now all the US media outlets are just participating in the damage control operation

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[-] cmoney@lemmy.world 130 points 3 weeks ago

How was anyone supposed to know he was gonna do the things he said he wanted to do. 1000002742

[-] IronBird@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

tbf, an america politician actually honestly laying out what the intend to do to the public and then carrying out is a massive outlier

[-] TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz 12 points 3 weeks ago

They craved an honest politican. They got one.
I mean, apart from all the tax avoidance, tax evasion, grift, graft and sinecures.

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[-] SupahRevs@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

He said he had nothing to do with project 2025 tho.

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[-] coredev@programming.dev 13 points 3 weeks ago

Damn, doing p2025 but the exact opposite would be a pretty rad society.

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[-] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 95 points 3 weeks ago

It was fucking laid out in P2025 and from the mouths of the billionaires

Arrest him. The fuck

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago

For what. He has full immunity according to the Supreme Court.

[-] P1nkman@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

Not according to Senor Guillotine.

[-] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

I believe that would be Monsieur Guillotine

[-] P1nkman@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Pardon my French.

[-] TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 weeks ago

No, no. "Arrest."
As in "stop in his tracks."

[-] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 67 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

In 2024, everything was already laid out for everybody to see clear as day - Trump1.0, MAGA's behavior since 2021, Project 2025...

BTW, in 2016, both Mary Trump and Tony Schwartz predicted Jan 6 21: "If he loses the next election, he won't go willingly."

Ever since Jan 6 21 it's been crystal clear where this goes if he wins again.

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[-] limer@lemmy.ml 43 points 3 weeks ago

So…. I am going to express my opinion that Trumpism is merely the latest, not so different, expression of American capitalism that has always been this nasty and poisonous. And this includes the raids and round ups currently in the news.

There are some things that changed: the targets and oppressed have changed for some. The messaging has changed.

It’s a fad. This will fade soon enough, and things will still be bad. The good guys will be elected and clean up some of the stuff, but most of what they do will be ineffective. And then the next bad guy will come to power

[-] garretble@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Based on what toady Mike Johnson and trump have been saying today/yesterday about how the GOP should control elections, I have a lot of worry that there will never be any more "good guys" elected.

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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Exactly.

What Donald is doing has always occurred. It's just been better hidden, and he doesn't care to hide any of it. The corruption we're seeing now is only new if you've never cracked open a history book.

[-] balsoft@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago

Who are the "good guys"? The only remotely non-evil person who had a serious bid for president is Sanders, the rest are straight up pieces of shit who bankroll genocides, bomb civilians, and empower their billionaire donors. Even then, Sanders is ineffective, somewhat zionist, and old, and I don't see a viable young replacement even for someone like him.

In the US, the political mainstream isn't "good guys vs bad guys", it's 80% hitler vs 100% hitler.

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[-] irelephant@anarchist.nexus 35 points 3 weeks ago

Its hard to call it a prediction when he literally just said it himself

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 3 weeks ago

Fuck that. It was predicted a full year before. This is bullshit. Stop reading the NYT. They lied about the attack on Oct 7 (claimed sex crimes that didn't happen) and never made a retraction. I cancelled my subscription to them and to the Washington Post (cause Bezos killed an opinion piece endorsing Biden, who I voted for because fuck Trump, but Biden was a terrible candidate).

Listen to the audio-book, "Manufacturing Consent," from Noam Chomsky. Unfortunately, he's in the Epstein docs, so I can't recommend him otherwise. Oh well. All these people are monsters.

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[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 28 points 3 weeks ago

It said he'd shit his pants on live TV in the oval office?

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[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Donald Trump was a lot of peoples' fault. One article nailing him doesn't cancel out all the articles that normalized or sane washed him, or ran with his narrative. Nor does it undercut all the well-justified mistrust of legacy American media. It's not as if people started trusting pundits out of nowhere - they started looking for commentary and news from alternate sources because yeah, actually, a lot of legacy media does report like they serve their wealthy owners. Not that MAGA pundits don't, but that's beside the point.

Hell, even right now, they're generally running with the narrative that Trump's Israel-Gaza ceasefire has been effective by not reporting that Israel still murders many innocent Palestinians every day.

[-] ReHomed@lemmy.cafe 20 points 3 weeks ago

Rightoids are unbelievably predictable. Meet one in public and you could guess everything that comes out of their mouth from the very beginning of the conversation

Only actual fucking idiots are unable to realize how predictable rightoids are

[-] nednobbins@lemmy.zip 20 points 3 weeks ago

https://youtu.be/c_ANImMrYu4?t=197

The current stance of the president of the Heritage Foundation seems to be that if the left does not take up arms, MAGA will take over everything, permanently.

[-] nomy@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 weeks ago

Our current situation really is the culmination of almost 70 years of rightwing efforts. It’s a long listen but worth checking out How Conservatism Won by Robert Evans. He lays out in a clear concise way “how a consortium of rich failsons got together to fund a network of right wing think tanks and shift American culture in a fun new direction. (note: it was not actually fun at all).” They’ve been very successful and those think tanks are now pipelines used to funnel ideological purists into powerful positions like our current Supreme Court.

The shadowy cabals the rightwing says are behind everything is classic projection again, they're controlled by shadowy cabals of rich people. One of the primary ghouls/traitors responsible for the attempted overthrow of our government on J6 was Roger Stone, the same traitorous ratfucker who began his career working for Nixon and has a fucking Nixon tattoo on his back. It's really impossible to overstate how bad these people are and they're winning.

The coup was successful, they're in power and if they don't want to give it up they won't.

Get to know people in your community. Take an interest in growing food, learn how to fix things. Establish secondary lines of communication and start preparing.

https://www.dsausa.org/

https://pslweb.org/

https://mutualaiddisasterrelief.org/

https://socialistra.org/

https://www.socialistalternative.org/

https://generalstrikeus.com/

https://afsc.org/news/how-create-mutual-aid-network

https://www.immigrantdefenseproject.org/raids/

https://mutualaidhub.org/

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[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 19 points 3 weeks ago

fuck the NYT they have repeatedly failed to do their jobs

[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago

Every single fucking thing Trump has done I predicted and warned people about and got shadowbanned across half the goddamn internet for it.

Okay great we were warned, let's stop whinging about the idiots of the past and start working to convince today's idiots.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

I think the most important thing about this era is to understand how the fuck this happened. I have no answers and have never heard anything convincing. I think if humanity lasts long enough, hundreds of years of scholars will be trying to understand it. Most people on earth could've predicted most of this shit, yet no amount of spreading that knowledge made a fucking difference. If nothing else, this tells us how unbelievably irrational humans are.

[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I have a pretty good idea how it happened, I just have no idea how we can guardrail our human weaknesses against every single entity committed to exploiting those weaknesses in new and inventive ways so that they can gain power over others.

We had this entirely new thing come into our lives where we could get mental stimulation on-tap anytime we want, perpetually and it fucked everyone's minds, we lost our attention spans and learned to fear each other as organized groups worked tirelessly to change our thinking and behavior, either for commercial purposes or for social/political agendas, and it worked spectacularly because we had no idea what "the internet" does to a human brain until someone makes the internet and does it all to us.

Social pressure holds communities together, as primitive as it is, it's a system we're designed to work within, and as we've given up community outside influences are replacing it with incel-forums, loot-boxes, 24-hour news feeds, same-day shopping and and endless stream of jokes, memes and voices each desperately trying to get your attention, and getting just enough that you don't look away or question your own capacity to question.

And of course it doesn't help that actual bad people are doing things like indirectly paying millions of people in developing nations to spread propaganda across the US for retweets and clicks because it's just enough money to make a career for someone in India or Philippines.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

You're right about all of this. What I can't fathom though -- is that in the past, facts mattered. A lot. How did all of the propaganda literally erase that entirely? That's what I cannot figure out. It's not like the internet invented the concept of the lie. Before social media, at least most people would have some skepticism and if nothing else, ask their smart friend. How the hell did that go away?

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

many of his most reckless efforts in his first administration were stymied only because of others in his administration who blocked, delayed or watered down his aims to ensure that he could not put himself above the law or the country.

I often wonder what would have happened if his first term was unleashed. Eg if McCain voted yes to dismantle ACA. If Trump got his way the first time, would he have gotten in the second?

[-] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

If Trump had gotten his way the first time, we’d be in a fascist dictatorship that is 9 years old now instead of one.

[-] obey@lemmy.wtf 14 points 3 weeks ago

I wait for putin, trump and all geriatric rulers to die already

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[-] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 14 points 3 weeks ago

Predicted...openly by Trump.

[-] choui4@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 weeks ago

We gotta take lessons from the Panthers, ya'll

[-] Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I don't disagree with the content of this post but take this OPs hour-old account with a large grain of salt; this is likely another self deleting spam account.

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[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Oh got NYT slop

[-] RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

A republic, if you can keep it

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 7 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think many people really blame journalists so much as they blame the news media corporations that employ them.

Yes, if you are well informed and are actively looking for this type of journalism it's widely available. However, you also have to know how to sift through the mountains of articles that conflict with this article run and promoted by the same organization.

The problem is that these companies are essentially advertising platforms whose motivations are not based in journalistic integrity, but to maintain user engagement.

But instead, the american public prefered to trust influencers such as Joe Rogan, Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, Tim Pool, Benny Johnson.

I think this is an inherent reaction to be expected when people lack trust in mainstream institutions. You can't expect people to not seek alternative knowledge when what you see around you does not reflect the story being sold over the television.

Trust in institutions can take decades to build, and all these inconsistencies with reality can eat away at that trust in a much shorter period of time. When the tickers on the bottoms of the screen constantly tell you the economy is doing better than ever and you're having to work overtime to put food on the table. When every news outlet is agreeing with the president about invading a country because they have weapons of mass destruction. With decades of these conflicts with reality.... of course people are going to seek alternative sources of information.

[-] twistypencil@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

But but Kamala didn't say Palestine! /S

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