It's about time the electronics industry as a whole realises that innovation for the sake of innovation is rarely a good thing
Look, we can’t have TVs that last 15 years anymore!
We need to keep people buying every year or two. Otherwise line not go up! Don’t you understand that this is about protecting The Economy?!
It's not even innovation, per say. It's just Big Number Go Up.
Nobody seems to want to make a TV that makes watching TV more pleasant. They just want to turn these things into giant bespoke advertising billboards in your living room.
Show me the TV manufacturer who includes an onboard ad blocker. That's some fucking innovation.
There’s no 8k content, and only recently do standard connectors support 8k at high refresh rates.
There’s barely any actual 4K content you can consume.
There’s barely any actual 4K content you can consume.
Honestly a little surprised the IMAX guys didn't start churning out 4k+ content given that they've been in the business forever.
But I guess "IMAX in your living room" isn't as sexy when the screen is 60" rather than 60'
You don’t even need IMAX for 4K; ordinary 35mm film can normal scan to a nice 4K video. Films shot on the 65mm IMAX cameras would probably make good 8K content, but most of that was educational films, not what most people apparently want to watch all the time.
The digital IMAX projections were actually a step backwards in resolution.
Films shot on the 65mm IMAX cameras would probably make good 8K content, but most of that was educational films, not what most people apparently want to watch all the time.
Sure. But the cameras exist. You can use them for other stuff.
Hateful Eight was filmed in 70mm, and while it wasn't Tarantino's best work it certainly looked nice.
They don't want IMAX in your living room, they want IMAX in the IMAX theater, where you pay a premium for their service.
There’s barely any actual 4K content you can consume
I feel like that's not true. But you've gotta try. If you're streaming it, chances are it's not really any better. 4K Bluray (or rips of them...) though? Yeah it's good. And since film actually has 8K+ resolution old movies can be rescanned into high resolution if the original film exists.
Supposedly Sony Pictures Core is one streaming service that can push nearly 4K Bluray bitrates... but you've gotta have really good internet. Like pulling 50-80GB in the span of a movie.
You're probably aware of this since you mentioned bitrate, but a lot of 4K streaming services use bitrates that are too low to capture much more detail at 4K compared to a lower resolution. A lot of games will recommend/effectively require upscaling (DLSS/FSR/XeSS) to achieve good performance at 4K. All of this is still maybe better than 1440p, but it shows 4K is still kind of hard to make full use of.
Gaming was supposed to be one of the best drivers for 8K adoption.
Whu? Where 4k still struggles with GPU power? And for next to no benefit?
What’s dumb is that 3D failed because of lack of resolution and brightness, and now we have more pixels than we can handle and screens so bright they can hurt to look at. PS3 had a couple games that showed different screens to two players wearing 3D glasses. I’d love to see full screen couch coop games with modern tech. 8K isn’t solving any problems.
3D failed for the exact same reason VR is failing now. Nobody wants to wear headsets at home.
Introducing the new DLSS 9, were we upscale 720p to 8k. Looks better than native, pinky swear.
I want a dumb tv with the price and and specs of a smart tv. Less is more
What you’re looking for are commercial screens. They’re a bit more expensive for a comparable panel, as they are intended for 24/7 use- but are about as dumb as they get nowadays.
You would likely have to pay more since they aren't getting to sell your information.
4k is enough, 60fps is enough, no smart or AI stuff is perfectly fine...
What about reducing the energy consumption? That's an innovation I want.
I hope you mean 60hz is enough for TVs. Because I certainly don't want that regression on my monitor 😄
OLED and 4k is where it's at.
Hell, OLED and high bitrate 1080 is probably good enough for me for the rest of my life.
Shitrate 4k and 1080p are all you get on streaming platforms. Hard to get good quality bitrates outside of I guess bluray and piracy.
bluray and piracy
I feel like that was implied in my comment ;-)
Fuck.
Now instead of each new generation of TVs being slightly higher in resolution some god damn business tech executive is going to focus on some god damn bullshit to try and change or add which is going be absolutely fucking ridiculous or pointless and annoying like AI television shit or TV gaming or fuck my life. Smart TVs are bad enough but they can't help themselves they need to change or add shit all the fucking time to "INNOVATE!!!" and show stockholder value.
Resolution was something easy and time consuming but we can't rely on that keeping them from fucking TV up any more.
Theres a ton of other things I want my TV to do before more pixels.
Actual functional software would be nice, better tracking on high speed shots (in particular sweeping landscapes or reticles in video games) higher frame rates and variable frame rate content, make the actual using of the tv, things like changing inputs or channels faster, oh man so much more.
Anything but more pixels.
Actual functional software would be nice
you do not want software on your TV.
I still probably watch 90% 1080p and 720p stuff lol. As long as the bitrate is good it still looks really good.
Meanwhile I'm still at 1080p and most content I watch not even that.
Right? I really don’t get it.
It’s the law of diminishing returns. When we went from 480p to 720p, it was a huge jump, something everyone noticed.
But the jump to 1080p was much less noticeable, to the point that people just thought its no different than 720p.
Now we have 4K, and most people stream, so it’s a bad bitrate ensuring it doesn’t look good all so the consumer feels like they are getting more cause 4K sounds cool.
I’m sooo glad 8K is not becoming a thing.
All we want is a clear picture and no ads.
Did you say you want really clear ads? We got just that!
For the majority of people a 1080p60 with a high bitrate and 10+ bit color space will look absolutely perfect. Some can pixel peep and tell, but more people still struggle seeing when the aspect ratio is wrong on their TV.
Yeh, do: 60fps, 30 bit color... and I guess HDR?
Do things that people can actually appreciate.
And do them in the way that utilises the new tech. 60fps looks completely different from 24fps... Work with that, it's a new media format. Express your talent
TV manufacturers salivated at the idea of TV resolution, hoping desperately to turn the TV market into something like the PC market, in that you have to upgrade every 5ish years to stay on top of technology and use the latest stuff to artificially increase sales beyond what their already abysmal build qualities provide them.
I'm glad the plan is failing spectacularly.
Hopefully this forces them to think more about quality and start focusing on TVs that actually last now... You know, like we used to have 30 years ago.
That's because the answer isn't higher resolutions, it was legally enforcing h.265 to be open source. Now the solution is AV1, but video codecs shouldn't be locked down like that.
To act like that was ever in favor of "protecting the sciences" is a fucking joke.
Even if it was, the streamings everyone's using crush down the bitrate so bad it'd barely look better than 4k anyway.
High bitrate 1080p > mid/low bitrate 4k and 8k.
Working in entertainment and broadcasting, you learn barely half of Americans have a 4K tv and it’s under half worldwide. Marketing makes you think that “everyone is doing it”
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